Ok, the other guy who was including the binders with his forks on ebay quoted me over $50 for shipping. Sounds like the ones from Yankee Warehouse are a better buy then. If you also buy binders from him, I wonder if he charges extra shipping. I don't weld either, but my neighbor does it for a living and I sent him the instructions on Mad Referee's clamp on ones and have his interest. He is currently putting back together an Oliver tractor with a FEL and I think he wants some, too, to load his hay. I'm sure the chain and binder ones work fine, just thought I might prefer the clamp on ones.
I have been following your thread on forks, also. My application is similar to yours: stacking/unstacking of square hay bales and some lifting of light implements. No pallets at this time. The offer from Mad Referee is very generous, however, I have not welded for over 20 years, and then only enough to really appreciate and admire what a good welder can do. My son learned to weld at work, but neither of us has ready access to the required equipment. Besides, I have enough other projects without taking on the fabrication of forks. BTW, shipping for forks and binders from Yankee Warehouse is $28 to my ZIP. I would prefer ratchet binders, and might buy them locally. Still considering. 