Canada Prescriptions

   / Canada Prescriptions #41  
<font color="blue"> For folks on fixed incomes, that have to pay for their own prescriptions.....it kind of becomes a life or breath situation. </font>
Don, I don't disagree with this. My point was that many people on TBN bemoan what WalMart does to local businesses and other companies by, in essence, dictating what they (WalMart) will pay for certain items.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #42  
Slow rev,

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have also heard that doctors get kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing their medications )</font>
Well Lets cloud the issues with innuendo and heresay.

Not even sure how to address that claim. My wife's best freind is a sales rep for a top tier pharmaceutical company. She tries to get the physicians to presribe her companies drugs if there is a choice ie. more than one drug for an indication. she can leave him with literature, freebies and samples. But there is no "kickback" scheme.

In most states the doctor can give you free samples but can not sell you the drugs. That is why pharmacies exist still today. They keep the doctor from having a vested interest in writing a prescription.

Billy P,
I read Pfizer's annual report. I did not specificly see the 9.1 billion dollar profit. Taken out of context it sounds like a huge number. But they are the largest pharmaceutical company in the world with sales in 2003 of 45 Billion dollars. They also had the top selling drug in 14 different therapeutic areas. That means they are extremely good at what they do and we the public buy their products. They sold 1.8 billion dollars of Viagra in 2003. This market did not even exist 8 years or so ago. They answered an unmet medical need and are being rewarded for it. Of course Viagra itself is an interesting product. $1.8 billion at $10 a pill is a lot of happy males walking around. But ED is not lifethreatening and people still demand it. even funnier is that a lot of presription plans covered Viagra upon it's release. But female birth control pills were often not covered. Where I work the women say it is becuse the men are in charge of the companies. After a lot of pressure many formulary plans noew cover birth control pills.

The advertisement dollars are an issue and a concern. Technically it is not supposed to happen. That's why the ads for say Cialis never mention what it is for.
every one has heard of "the little purple pill" Ads for that were every where. We sell a similar product but were late to market. But our sales rose in direct response to the purple pill commercials even though we never advertised it. apparently as consumers asked their Drs about the purple pill the Drs instead recommended ours ( new to market so fresh in Drs minds but also less side effects)
For whatever reasons the FDA has turned a blind eye to the current marketing. A prior commisioner, David Kessler was a little more activist. He once seized a warehouse of orange juice because they were advertising health benefits. I don't think you'll find that in today's political and business environment.

Lastly I mentioned times and costs to get a drug to market in my first post. I left out one very very important piece of info: approximately 90% of drugs that make it into clinical trials fail. This is usually due to a lack of efficacy - it plain don't work in man the way it did in animals. the other big reason for withdrawal is safety - it's toxic or has adverse effects, etc. So a company can spend a few hundred million dollars to get to first time in man trals and have the drug fail. Ouch that was expensive. naturally that is included in the cost of doing business and theses costs are passed on to the successful drugs. If this business model didn't work there'd be no drugs.

The feds do have an "orphan drug" program were there are incentives to research and produce a drug that has little chance of recouping costs even if it is successful. I think immunizations utilize this. Due to liability issues drug cos started to back away from producing immunizations.

MikePa and Andy,
Thanks for the kind words.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #43  
<font color="blue"> Well Lets cloud the issues with innuendo and heresay. </font>
I also heard that...now keep this under your hat...that the drug companies...

1. Supply all the pilots for the black helicopters.
2. Buy up all the 100 mpg carburetors so true Americans can't buy them
3. Hold key positions on the Trilateral Commission
4. Bought up all the M and Ms except the black and white ones until Mars Corp paid up.
5. Are holding Elvis for ransom.
6. Are still pushing for the metric system
7. Get half of the fee we pay for using a non-member ATMs.
8. House the TV studios where the moon landing was filmed.

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   / Canada Prescriptions #44  
To tell you the truth, it all boils down to politics. Big drug companies feeding the hungry mouths of greedy politicians.

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   / Canada Prescriptions #45  
HMO's don't cover the cost of Viagra in the prescription benefit and he Dr's in the HMO can't give it out as a free sample because of the prescription tracking requirements of the FDA according to the DR that I use. That leaves me having to pay for it if I were to need to use it. Since I am still a young stud at heart, I don't have a need for such a product, but I have investigated the possibility that it might be necessary for some time in the way off future. Until that time, I will only be doing research. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
PS.... Walmart sells them fro $7.00 @
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #46  
<font color="blue">HMO's don't cover the cost of Viagra in the prescription benefit </font>

Junkman, there's nothing like your HMO just leaving you hangin'! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

(sorry for the digression)

Don
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #47  
You are exactly right BillyP. They took the Herb Ephedrin off the market because 150 people misused it and died. Yet hundreds of thousands of people die every year from tobacco. Funny it isn't banned yet.....can you say Tobacco lobbiests? It is ALL about money.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #48  
<font color="blue"> > I know there are a couple doctors here, so please forgive me. I had several bad experiences with doctors and developed an attitude that all doctors were only in it for the money, and treated their patients like faceless dollar signs rolling down a production line. </font>

I think that this is more a matter of the times and less a matter of being "in it for the money"... With health insurers capitizing patient care, health providers need to see as many patients as possible to make ends meet. I personally know of several doctors that are no longer taking insurance because the payments they get don't cover their costs. They are in specialties that will support this scheme but more "general" providers can't do this. In the end, they need to see more patients so that they can work doing what they love (providing care). It has to be a tough choice since running a practice like an "assembly line" is contradictory to the reason that most folks get into medicine. Unless you are in a specialty that folks will pay out of pocket for (plastic surgery for example) I can't see where there could be many folks that are in the medical field "for the money". (my apologies to any plastic surgeons...I don't mean to imply that they are in it for the money - only that they are probably some of the few who could afford to be! )

Regarding the development costs for prescription drugs - I'm quite sure that the drug companies have huge costs to bear in order to bring new drugs to the market place. The "scientific" research is expensive never mind all the "regulatory" research that is required on top of that. The companies should be allowed to recover those costs otherwise there is no much incentive for them to continue the research. The question there is how much is *really* needed and how much is padding?

PhilNH5 mentions: <font color="blue"> My wife's best freind is a sales rep for a top tier pharmaceutical company. She tries to get the physicians to presribe her companies drugs if there is a choice ie. more than one drug for an indication. she can leave him with literature, freebies and samples. But there is no "kickback" scheme. </font>

My cousin is a drug rep and I agree that there are strict limits on what they can do (and can't do)... But if I had to bet, I'd bet that the "kickbacks" that were referred to are occuring at a level much higher up than the average drug rep.

One thing is for sure... This whole issue of drug and health care costs rising out of control is going to come to head soon...and I'm certain that no one is going to like the aftermath (providers or patients) since most don't like the situation now.
 
   / Canada Prescriptions #49  
it's taxes, not lobbyists!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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