carburator situation

/ carburator situation #1  

jake247

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Ref a 49 Ford 8 N tractor:
Carb has been rebuilt twice still will not draw fuel from the tank. As long as you drop gas direct it runs fine. I haven't a clue as to what is happening, any help would be appreciated. j
 
/ carburator situation #2  
As I remember them, there is no "drawing" of the fuel by the carburetor. The fuel drops from the tank by gravity, enters the carb needle valve, and the needle valve is closed by the carb float when full. If you have fuel coming out the line at the carb, check passages and needle valve.

You say you "drop gas directl" and make it run. It is an updraft carb, how are you doing that?
 
/ carburator situation #3  
My experience with those old motors was rust in the tank preventing the fuel from flowing blow back up the gas line and it will run until the next piece of rust blocks the pipe. If the float sticks fuel dumps out of the carb so you give it a few raps.
 
/ carburator situation #4  
Gravity must be screwed up. My friend thinks like gasoline when he rebuilds the carbs on everything I have. Chainsaws to tractors. You start out in the tank. Flow or pump takes it to the carb needle allows it to fill the bowl. when bowl is full of fuel float rises and shuts fuel flow off. Now the fuel has to get out of the bowl,follow how it flows threw the carb. on chainsaws it is going to be the diaphram that flexs and pulls the fuel. follow all passages with a short puff of air from your compressor.It is going to flow to the valves where it is pulled into the combustion chamber. If your spark plug gets wet you have gas. Any way that is how he explains it to me. Bottom line is he makes my junk run.
 
/ carburator situation #5  
First question is, are you getting fuel flow to the carb..?? If not, check the screen in the sediment bowl, to make sure it is clean. While apart, open the fuel valve, and make sure you have fuel coming out of the tank to begin with. I've seen a buildup of a gray, gummy substance build up in the actual valve assy. You'll need to either remove the tank & drain, or remove the valve, and catch the fuel in a container. Disassemble that valve and give it a good cleaning with some spray carb cleaner, or Acetone.

If you have a good fuel flow to the carb, here's a few things to check.

Did you remove the strainer elbow, where the fuel line attaches to the carb.?? Many don't even know there is one. Remove it, and give it a good cleaning with above mentioned solvents. On the other hand, I have seen these strainers completely deteriorated. If it is in bad shape, it'd be a good idea to get a new one. I think most run like $7-$8.

Did you remove the drain plug from the bottom of the carb., and see if the bowl is filling..?? Could be the float is stuck,and not letting it fill, or needs adjusted, to let more fuel in. Fuel level in the bowl should be approx. 1/4" below the top of the bowl. An easy way to "see" what the fuel level is in the bowl, is to get a 1/8" npt barbed fitting at a hardware, which should be a common item. You'll also need about 1' of clear plastic tubing to fit the barbed end. Shut the fuel off, then remove the drain plug from the bottom of the carb., and insert the barbed fitting. Slip the clear tubing on, then make a 180º in the tubing, up along side the carb.. But not so sharp it crimps it off. The fuel needs to flow through the tube. Now turn your fuel on, and let the bowl fill. The fuel level in the bowl, should be the same, showing in the tubing. If the fuel level is not in the approx. range of 1/4" from the top of the bowl, adjust the float, so that it is.

Is the choke plate completely closing..?? Make sure the choke rod isn't catching, or binding on something, and you're getting full choke. Have you tried placing the flat of the palm of your hand across the intake of the carb., to draw gas up..??

If you're good there, I'll have to ask just how far you tore the carb down. Many split them, and clean the ports as you should, but miss a key item. You'll need to also remove the discharge nozzle. This is the brass tube that comes up out of the center throat of the carb, on about a 45º angle. Just be careful, as there is a small washer/gasket it seats on in the carb. body. It will more than likely take a smaller deep well socket, or hollow nut driver to reach the hex part to remove it. Remove it, and look for two tiny cross drilled holes towards the bottom of the tube. Hold it up to a good light, and see if they are open. If not, a small wire, like a single strand out of a wire brush, or a strand of copper wire out of a piece of automotive type, stranded wire. These holes need to be open, as that's what the gas draws up through, into the throat of the carb. Spray with carb. cleaner, and a shot of low pressure compressed air.

If all of this has been done, and still no gas showing on the spark plugs, then I'd suspect a vacuum leak somewhere. Either the carb., to manifold gasket, or manifold, to head gasket.

I've attached a link to the New Holland online parts store, that shows an exploded view of the N carbs. #16 in the exploded view is the strainer elbow I mentioned,and #9 is the main discharge nozzle, which should be removed, and checked to see if the tiny cross drilled holes are plugged.

Hope this helps..!!

Official New Holland Online Parts Store and Online Parts Catalog for New Holland and Ford Tractors.
 
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  • Thread Starter
#6  
Thanks for all the info, will go thru step by step. Never thought of internal vacuum being a problem. j

First question is, are you getting fuel flow to the carb..?? If not, check the screen in the sediment bowl, to make sure it is clean. While apart, open the fuel valve, and make sure you have fuel coming out of the tank to begin with. I've seen a buildup of a gray, gummy substance build up in the actual valve assy. You'll need to either remove the tank & drain, or remove the valve, and catch the fuel in a container. Disassemble that valve and give it a good cleaning with some spray carb cleaner, or Acetone.

If you have a good fuel flow to the carb, here's a few things to check.

Did you remove the strainer elbow, where the fuel line attaches to the carb.?? Many don't even know there is one. Remove it, and give it a good cleaning with above mentioned solvents. On the other hand, I have seen these strainers completely deteriorated. If it is in bad shape, it'd be a good idea to get a new one. I think most run like $7-$8.

Did you remove the drain plug from the bottom of the carb., and see if the bowl is filling..?? Could be the float is stuck,and not letting it fill, or needs adjusted, to let more fuel in. Fuel level in the bowl should be approx. 1/4" below the top of the bowl. An easy way to "see" what the fuel level is in the bowl, is to get a 1/8" npt barbed fitting at a hardware, which should be a common item. You'll also need about 1' of clear plastic tubing to fit the barbed end. Shut the fuel off, then remove the drain plug from the bottom of the carb., and insert the barbed fitting. Slip the clear tubing on, then make a 180コ in the tubing, up along side the carb.. But not so sharp it crimps it off. The fuel needs to flow through the tube. Now turn your fuel on, and let the bowl fill. The fuel level in the bowl, should be the same, showing in the tubing. If the fuel level is not in the approx. range of 1/4" from the top of the bowl, adjust the float, so that it is.

Is the choke plate completely closing..?? Make sure the choke rod isn't catching, or binding on something, and you're getting full choke. Have you tried placing the flat of the palm of your hand across the intake of the carb., to draw gas up..??

If you're good there, I'll have to ask just how far you tore the carb down. Many split them, and clean the ports as you should, but miss a key item. You'll need to also remove the discharge nozzle. This is the brass tube that comes up out of the center throat of the carb, on about a 45コ angle. Just be careful, as there is a small washer/gasket it seats on in the carb. body. It will more than likely take a smaller deep well socket, or hollow nut driver to reach the hex part to remove it. Remove it, and look for two tiny cross drilled holes towards the bottom of the tube. Hold it up to a good light, and see if they are open. If not, a small wire, like a single strand out of a wire brush, or a strand of copper wire out of a piece of automotive type, stranded wire. These holes need to be open, as that's what the gas draws up through, into the throat of the carb. Spray with carb. cleaner, and a shot of low pressure compressed air.

If all of this has been done, and still no gas showing on the spark plugs, then I'd suspect a vacuum leak somewhere. Either the carb., to manifold gasket, or manifold, to head gasket.

I've attached a link to the New Holland online parts store, that shows an exploded view of the N carbs. #16 in the exploded view is the strainer elbow I mentioned,and #9 is the main discharge nozzle, which should be removed, and checked to see if the tiny cross drilled holes are plugged.

Hope this helps..!!

Official New Holland Online Parts Store and Online Parts Catalog for New Holland and Ford Tractors.
 
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#7  
Thanks for all the info. j
 
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#8  
Feeding it down the throat of the carb w/small stream it runs
 
/ carburator situation #9  
Ref a 49 Ford 8 N tractor:
Carb has been rebuilt twice still will not draw fuel from the tank. As long as you drop gas direct it runs fine. I haven't a clue as to what is happening, any help would be appreciated. j

That carb has a screen in the fuel inlet connection to the carb. Is that screen clean? Some sediment bowls have a small filter in them and you should check that also. make sure the float setting is correct. A lot of these old machines were parked in the weeds for many years and there is all manner of crap and corruption in the tank that can clog the tank outlet. Many sediment bowl have reserve feature on them and have to tank outlets contained in the sediment bowl. One is lower than the other and when you get low on fuel you have to fully open the sediment bowl valve to resume fuel delivery.

Finally are you sure you did a good job cleaning all the carb passages when you rebuilt it? That's the most important factor in a carb rebuild.
 
/ carburator situation #10  
Check for fuel coming out of the line at the carb from the sediment bowl.
If original, there is a valve on the bottom of the tank with a lever for the reserve tank.
With that valve closed the fuel comes from about 2" off of the bottom of the tank. When you turn to reserve it drains from the bottom of the tank.
Those reserve valves get stopped up with trash/gum easily.
 

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