Careful-Smart..Reckless-Stupid????

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JOHNTHOMAS

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If you start reading this to learn something about a specific tractor, just go on to another topic. This is is going to be some thoughts to ponder.
You drive a B7800 FEL tractor down a fairly steep hill a first time while the grass is wet. You drive fairly slow in order to be careful. The tractor starts sliding down the hill on the wet grass and you have no control other than to try and keep the wheel straight and do fast pondering as to drop the bucket to the ground or not? Was this stupid or not even though you do it carefully and slowly. If I ever do it again I'm certain it will fit in the stupid catagory and so far I've only done it the one time.
Carefully shoved trees/branchs/rocks onto my downed tree pile on the side of a hill with BX2200 FEL MMM and carefully got to far up on the pile and got stuck sort of sitting on top of a pile of trees/branchs/rocks on a BX2200 subcompact tractor. Again, if I done it more than one time it would be stupid for sure even though I was being careful.

Was carefully back dragging a ridge of top soil dirt to round off the edge for ease of mowing and more finished look on a BX25 and pushing down on FEL bucket front edge on a slight slope with one edge of bucket with no dirt under it and just layed the BX25 carefully on it's side. Was this stupid after 10 years experience on this hillside and several years experience with this machine or not being careful even though I thought I was?
Driving a RTV1140 all over my hillside property and it going like it was on dry land. Driving cross ways across a steep hillside of yard and it slipping sideways like a car/truck would and remembering old days of driving on snow which we haven't had much of in years and remembering to keep the wheels pointed down the hill and not across it in slick snow or ice. No, not being careful at all, being purly stupid because had experienced this before.
OK, I know for a fact I have many, many more personal experiences where I was being careful in my mind or thought I was and ended up learning another new thing one doesn't or shouldn't do with/on/under a tractor of any size. I'm actually a usually careful person except for when I'm not and that can happen out of the clear blue, not sure where it comes from. I try not to be stupid and going along thinking I'm not being and then something happens that I think I should have figured out that that would happen if I done that that way and I believe that I was stupid BUT I was being careful while I done it. Who would think you could pick a big rock up in your FEL bucket and start down a hill and a rock hole drop your front end just enough to where your whole rear end would come up pretty high into the air? Who would think carrying a rock, hugh rock, in your front bucket would cause the side wall of your tire to lose connection to the rim when you made a tight downhill turn and all your air come out? Who would think your MMM drive shaft would come back out of the PTO after you connected it back up and mowed for awhile and go flying around and bust a hole in your BX2350 oil filter? OK so maybe it didn't "CLICK" when it was attached but it always did from then on.
Back to the question. When is being stupid not being careful or being careful doesn't bring forth stupid "stuff"? If you carefully enter a mud bog and one time get stuck after never having gotten stuck before, is that really being stupid? When does it go from not being stupid (never got stuck) to being stupid (get stuck one time out of 100)?
OK, I'm done. Go ahead and move on to those informative question and answer threads and let you mind rest. Maybe none of this applies to you or anyone you know.....sure....you know those that it applies to but not you......liar, liar, pants on fire.:laughing:
 
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Hey, stuff happens to everyone if they use their machinery enough.

I skated a 5500# 4wd tractor and hay baler down a big hill on dry grass! I hooked a big rock while subsoiling and raised the front of a Massey Ferguson 135 about 5 feet in the air before getting the clutch pushed in. I got the 1969 Dodge 2 ton truck stuck with a load of shingles. Most recently I hooked the bottom strand of the high tensile fence with the back plow on my Farmall 140 and proceeded to pull the corner posts completely out of the ground. Did I tell you about running over a stump with the 140 and being ejected from the seat. The tractor kept going and stopped against a maple tree. i limped around for weeks. I could go on.

Stupid is operating like this stuff won't happen to me or not learning from the first time.
 
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JT, Its called getting experience . Glad your all right.
 
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Front end loader on b2620 and nothing for weight on rear of tractor. Going down an incline and not in 4wd. These little tractors will pick up speed, real fast, and you can not stop.
Going into the garage and not lowering the ROPS. Not once, but three times, and I am lucky I didn't do real damage to the house.
Crossing an inline rather than going up or down, and hoping the tractor won't tip over. And knowing that it could, but I do it anyway, that is stupid.:shocked:
 
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Will definitely let you know the meaning of "pucker factor" The only good that comes from it is learning to be a more aware operator...
 
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Nothing like a "learning opportunity" to make you feel humble.
I know that feeling well.
When getting the job done becomes more important than getting home in one piece, it's time to shut her down and take a break.
... but I haven't got time for that ... just gotta do this one last thing ...
 
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Looks like I'm not alone. :eek:
I told my wife yesterday that I had finally admitted and posted pictures of my BX25 laying on its side which happened a couple of years ago. Her response was:D.
It didn't even scratch the paint but I never forgot it every time I got on the tractor after the "event". It has made me a more careful and aware operator.
 
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Beats me John as I have said before there is often a razor thin edge between success and disaster and we just often don't know until it is too late and sometimes it just doesn't and we don't know how close we came. In the 50+ years I have been using tractors I have run into, over, through stuff, slid down hills, gotten stuck and sometimes doing stuff I had always done before without incident. My renters can do stuff with equipment I can hardly imagine, but occasionally I will see where they have run into or over something, gotten stuck etc.
 
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John,

Here's another one for you "everything was fine until suddenly it wasn't" list: Picked a (small) log off a brush pile with the BX24 loader & toothbar. Had to lift it up to get it off the pile. Too much curl and it wanted to be in my lap.

Fortunately it didn't come all the way back. Only damage was to the BX seat - and my shorts. Whew!

Z.
 

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