case 580 k

   / case 580 k #11  
Builder said:
Probably the most simple & reliable backhoe series ever built. Not gonna have a lot of bells & whistles, but they're cheap to own & operate because they're simple & reliable.

Builder why don't you explain to us how you get the boom on a Case into the lock position?

I know how. But I'd bet anyone that's operated any other brand of backhoe would go crazy on a Case. Especially if they were wanting to load said tractor onto a dual tandem equipement trailer. With the boom locked in place they're so butt heavy that you almost have to steer with the brakes loading. Without it locked in you have no choice.
 
   / case 580 k #12  
:D :D :D :D :D
 
   / case 580 k #13  
wroughtn_harv said:
Builder why don't you explain to us how you get the boom on a Case into the lock position?

I know how. But I'd bet anyone that's operated any other brand of backhoe would go crazy on a Case. Especially if they were wanting to load said tractor onto a dual tandem equipement trailer. With the boom locked in place they're so butt heavy that you almost have to steer with the brakes loading. Without it locked in you have no choice.

Pretty basic fare. You pull the boom towards you, then just before it hits the top, you pop the stick forward, let off the stick and it locks in place. I let my helper try it and he was able to do it after 2 or 3 tries.

I would have to disagree with you about them being "butt-heavy". In fact, they're less "butt heavy" than other backhoes because the boom rests over the cab more than other machines. Case actually angles the glass back from bottom to top on the rear of the cab to allow the boom to rest more forward than other models for a better front to back weight ratio and more manueverability.

I find my CASE is much easier to load than my Ford ever was and the same would probably hold true for other brands I've operated.

So actually, it's other machines where the boom is more cantilevered behind the cab creating the "butt loaded" problem you speak of.

Lookie here at this Case how the backhoe tucks up real nice & tight up to the cab in the side view picture: Case 580M 4x4 Backhoe - (eBay item 290182329025 end time Nov-23-07 08:52:06 PST)

Here's a CAT backhoe. CAT BACKHOE LOADER 416B DELUX CAB WITH AIR LIVE VIDEOS - (eBay item 320184080603 end time Nov-27-07 09:24:03 PST)

Check out this New Holland, talk about butt-heavy.
1997 NEW HOLLAND FORD BACKHOE, 555E, 4X4, X-HOE, A/C - (eBay item 300174651685 end time Nov-28-07 11:29:34 PST)

The Deere backhoe doesn't look much better:
John Deere 310SE Tractor Loader Backhoe - (eBay item 300172843062 end time Nov-26-07 09:24:22 PST)

That's the way my old Ford looked. When I drove it down the road, it bounced down the road much worse because the back was too heavy.

IMO and based on my experience, the Case locks up further & tighter, more over center actually making it less of a problem with Case than most other machines.

Hopefully that answers the questions for you. ;)
 
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   / case 580 k #14  
Builder said:
Pretty basic fare. You pull the boom towards you, then just before it hits the top, you pop the stick forward, let off the stick and it locks in place.

Here's how I learned about Case, I believe it was a super M. I've got a relationship with a company that has in excess of one hundred backhoes at any give time. Nintey five percent of those are Cat. Most of them now are 420D's. OUr relationship is a lot like the old one hand washes another thing. I do some of their welding and when I need a backhoe for a day or so I make a phone call and then go pick one up.

After one such phone call I was directed to the Case. The boom was up in the locked position when I arrived. I had a dual tandem gooseneck flatbed with dovetail behind my truck. When I headed up the ramps the first thing I found out was you had better have the FEL as low as possible or you better be good at steering with the brakes.

A couple of days later I was done with the job and pulled the Case up to load it back onto the trailer. I pulled the main boom back and it wouldn't lock. I figured I had clay blocking it open. So I cleaned out the clay from where I thought it might be the problem.

It was still blocked so I cleaned out everywhere that clay could cause an issue. When that didn't work I attempted to load the tractor with the boom unlocked. Even with the FEL down the front wheels weren't close enough to the ramps to get slapped much less kissed.

It was late in the evening so I called a friend that I thought might know a little bit about this contrary beast. He laughed and told me to pull the boom back. And just before it hit close to home shove the lever forward hard and fast. It was a Case.

It worked first time I tried.

I've loaded quite a few Cats, 416s and 420s, on dual tandem goosenecks and never once felt like there could be a problem.

The closest thing I've found for thrills like that on the loading was a Drill King pier drilling rig a friend let me use on occasion. No steering wheel, joystick because it's an articulated machine. By joystick I mean a floor gear shift lever between your legs. You shoved it left to turn left or right to turn right. Did I mention it was super sensitive?

It hasn't had brakes in years. Not a problem because the machine is all hydrostat, forward and reverse on one pedal like on a Kubota. You push the pedal forward to go forward and rocked it back to reverse. To stop dead in your tracks you just put the pedal in the neutral position.

12X16.5 R4s and a machine width of just over eight feet. And oh, the fun part, six cylinder gas Ford industrial motor with a pull throttle. And the only way it had the power to load was to give it full throttle and have about thirty to forty foot running start.

One time my brother was working with me. When it came time to load he walked away and told me to call him when it was over. His nerves couldn't take it. It was exciting because you only had one shot and it had to be dead on.
 
   / case 580 k #15  
I guess if you only do something once or twice, it must seem hard.

Thousands of Case backhoes get loaded & unloaded off trailers everyday round the world. It's about as easy as shoving a sandwich in the pie hole after a few tries. ;)
 
   / case 580 k #16  
lol, I remember my first day trying to figure out the **** locking procedure of case. Now it's no big deal and I actually prefer it over other backhoes. I worked with a guy that would slam the hoe back because he pushed so hard forward on the lever and sure enough, he broke the latch. Of course it was blamed on me and I proceeded to show him just how well I could lock the hoe and how smooth it was! haha...anyway, Builder is right about the weight ration on case. They did a nice job in getting that hoe positioned correctly to avoid a lot of *** heavy bouncing moments on the road.

Blake
WA
 
   / case 580 k #17  
yep, once you get the hang of the Case (takes a couple tries) then you'll like it better than the others. Watching the boom come flying back at your face feels a little scary, but you get used to it.
 
   / case 580 k #18  
I guess it's what you're used to. Around here Cat is king. The ones I have access to all have excavator controls, logic being a hoe operator can jump into a trackhoe and be immediately productive. Of course there's two kinds of excavator controls. But with the Cat it's really simple to switch to the one you're used to using if the machine is on the other circuit.
 
   / case 580 k #19  
wroughtn_harv said:
I guess it's what you're used to. Around here Cat is king. The ones I have access to all have excavator controls, logic being a hoe operator can jump into a trackhoe and be immediately productive. Of course there's two kinds of excavator controls. But with the Cat it's really simple to switch to the one you're used to using if the machine is on the other circuit.

My Case has pilot controls. With a simple flip of a switch you can switch from backhoe to excavator style controls. Piece of cake.;) Even for a helpless yankee like me.
 

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