Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher?

   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #21  
Hey Southernmulcher, when you want to see a real head cut let me know. I have, can, and will outcut a FAE (even with VIPERS) any day. Do it with Caterpillar all the time.

I have a little bit of a problem with you suggesting that the FAE is not a real head. I know that you are semi joking but I have a few questions that I would like you to consider.

What if SM sees this "real head" and and thinks Gee whiz this thing is cool and he buys it then his very next job he is in a rock garden with a few sprigs of brush sticking out that have to be cleaned up. He is in real trouble since he has no carbide option.

What if he is looking at the contract specs and he sees that the job calls for "shredding" or "mastication". He is in real trouble because he has no carbide option.

I would like to see a real head cut and if you can keep teeth on it in my environment and keep up with the production of my 148 on my job I will buy it on the spot. There is no excavator in the world that will do what I need to do and no chipper style tooth that will last a day either on my job in NM or my new one in AZ.

Unless you plan to zero in on your target market like a laser beam you need to consider a few things when making your equipment decision. Will my machines work in a swamp like an excavator...nope, but I have worked some pretty soft ground and snow two feet deep. Can I reach up a cliff like an excavator...nope, but I have worked stuff almost to steep to walk on. Can I race around on the rocks like a rubber tire machine...nope, but if I slow down I can and have still mulched some pretty rocky areas and I can work a lot of areas that would have a rubber tire machine greasy side up real fast. Can I slice through a 12 inch hardwood like warm butter..nope, but i can still reduce it down to a nice shredded mulch in pretty good time. There is not much terrain that I cannot get to and most of the time I will be much faster than an excavator. If you could see the number of hidden rocks that I have kissed this week without breaking a single carbide tooth. The rock is pretty soft here but still way more than any planer or chipper tooth wants. When the "white dust" flies I still cringe but I also know that I can just keep on working without worrying about replacing any teeth for a few hundred hours.

Many contracts specifically identify the type of head to be used and they call for a "Fecon Bullhog or similar horizontal shredder." This is because of the matting effect that the chips from planer style heads and chipper knives lay down. This type of material will line up and form a chip blanket that is very hard for small plants like grass to get through. I have seen this first hand and have pictures of two sites that were cleared at the same time about five miles apart in TN, one with a Fecon and one with a Gyrotrac. The Gyrotrac is still just a bed of grey chips and the Fecon area looks very nice with a lot of new plants germinating and starting to grow. I use this in my marketing presentation but most foresters already know it.

My point is, If you are going to be in this business you must either have a niche market lined up or cast a pretty wide net.

I hope that I am making my point without over ruffling many feathers. This forum used to be a bunch of guys that talked about our machines and our jobs and giving advice to new guys and we would pull out the cyber fire hose and chase off anyone who got on here and tried to sell us stuff. I still try to sell my service and even one of my machines to people but I do it on the PM side of the forum.

You guys make a pretty good product and there is a large place in the market for you heads but there are more things to consider when purchasing equipment than all out speed in perfect conditions. Like I said earlier your technology would not have a prayer on ANY job that I have had for the past three years. My Fecon carbide heads have served me very well and I still have the chipper option if I ever get to a place where the rock is not so heavy.

All that being said I still love ya man!!
 
   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #22  
I for sure am not going to write a novel. That should be a best seller. My points.

I don't mulch rocks, carbides shouldn't either. Yes there are applications for both and you and most have run or have seen both run. Educated decisions.

I think FAE builds a great head and I have said that before. But in most conditions (like here in Ga. like he is) there would be a great increase in production with our head.

And about contracts that state Fecon, that is mostly because they do not know of our heads and what they can do. I have seen contracts that specify Gyro style heads as well.

Whatever works for you is great.
 
   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #23  
We get bids in the North east that state "brontosaurus Mowing" I always remind them it's EXCAVATOR mounted mulch head mowing...

Every mower has it's place. I use the Cimaf and Fecon every week and I couldn't live without both on MY jobs. Everybody has different types of jobs...I also use my Ammbusher DL66 often.

CB, interesting fact on how the mulch lays compared to the chips...
 
   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #24  
I want you guys to be the best and have the best. If I or DENIS CIMAF can help then I fell we have served you well. Sometimes I take that alittle too seriously. :cool: I'll still kick there butt in the woods. :D
 
   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #25  
TREE MULCHER!!!!!!!!
Call Eagle Claw Tooth in FL. I can't remember the # but you can google it. I purchased a belt there a few months ago & I think it was around 4-500 but it was the cheapest around. You can also get all the teeth there..
Hope I wasn't to late!!:(:cool:
 
   / Cat 287C with HM312 Mulcher? #26  
My invitation is still open, come kick Fecon's butt in MY woods and I will buy your setup on the spot.:cool::laughing:
 

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