js5020
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I am looking to get another machine and the pricing on these machines has me interested. I'd like to know your experiences as far as reliability, parts availability. Also would you purchase another?
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Affordable
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We have been selling the Jinmas for about 3 years now,for the money they are great tractors,old technology.Parts are avaliable thru many sources including us.If fit and finish is not a concern or you don't mind turning a wrench now and then
the chinese tractor may be for you,the trade off for the above is $$$$$ saving.
Tommy
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the chinese tractor may be for you,the trade off for the above is $$$$$ saving.
Tommy
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I'm not all that concerned with appearance, it doesn't get a job done, not concerned with bells and whistles either, just need a basic machine. I don't mind turning a wrench, just don't want to do it every time I need to use the machine. Any idea what the warranty time period is?
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Tommy, I'm impressed with your evaluation. You are certainly not knocking your products, but are also not "saying anything" to sell them. More good honest dealers like you will certainly sell more of the Chinese products. True value vs dollar goes a long way. It is people who promise the absolute latest technology and the absolute top of the line fit and finish that end up making people have a negative attitude towards a good value Chinese tractor. They are priced to sell as they are, for what they are. Your assessment of what you have to offer is an attribute to your dealership's quality.
JINMA224XR
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<font color="blue"> I'm not all that concerned with appearance, it doesn't get a job done, not concerned with bells and whistles either, just need a basic machine. </font>
Hey js5020,
Don't be too deceived, that the Chinese Tractors do not have "Bells and Whistles". /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif If you go into it, knowing which "Bells" and which "Whistles", that you want, then you will most likely be able to get them and save a ton of Money's at the same time. You can get a basic tractor as well, but you can also get what you want, if you shop hard.
Yesterday, I heard that Ford and Chrysler is contracting with the Chinese to build cars to be shipped back to the USA for sale to American Consumers.
I may be wrong,, cause I am a lot of times, but China may be fast becoming to the World, What WALMART is to America. I know that is a bold statement, but the other day, I was stopped at a railroad crossing, waiting for the Train to go by and it overwhelmed me at the number of Chinese Cargo Containers that I kept seeing go by.
I bought my 1st Chinese Tractor back in 1990, used it for 7 years. I bought my 2nd Chinese Tractor in 2004, and would do it all over again. My 1st one, didn't have PS, Canopy, Spring Seat. My 2nd one does.
A lot of people still do not believe, "If you sell it for less, they will buy it". WalMart has proven that strategy to be True, and the Chinese are taking it a bit further to the Global Economy.
Get Your Tractors Runnin &
Have a nice day,
Joe
Hey js5020,
Don't be too deceived, that the Chinese Tractors do not have "Bells and Whistles". /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif If you go into it, knowing which "Bells" and which "Whistles", that you want, then you will most likely be able to get them and save a ton of Money's at the same time. You can get a basic tractor as well, but you can also get what you want, if you shop hard.
Yesterday, I heard that Ford and Chrysler is contracting with the Chinese to build cars to be shipped back to the USA for sale to American Consumers.
I may be wrong,, cause I am a lot of times, but China may be fast becoming to the World, What WALMART is to America. I know that is a bold statement, but the other day, I was stopped at a railroad crossing, waiting for the Train to go by and it overwhelmed me at the number of Chinese Cargo Containers that I kept seeing go by.
I bought my 1st Chinese Tractor back in 1990, used it for 7 years. I bought my 2nd Chinese Tractor in 2004, and would do it all over again. My 1st one, didn't have PS, Canopy, Spring Seat. My 2nd one does.
A lot of people still do not believe, "If you sell it for less, they will buy it". WalMart has proven that strategy to be True, and the Chinese are taking it a bit further to the Global Economy.
Get Your Tractors Runnin &
Have a nice day,
Joe
JoeinTX
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Very true....
We are simply seeing the law of supply and demand at work. Will the average consumer pay $10 more for an American made iron versus a foreign made model that looks identical in quality? No, and I'm a prime example. Right now, China has the cheap labor......just like Japan did in the 60's and 70's.....like Taiwan had in the 80's...like Mexico had in the 90's. We've seen this cycle before and it simply continues as another cheap labor force is coming to bear on the marketplace.
Right now, and for the foreseeable 5-10 years, cheap Chinese labor will have an impact on buying practices. But, as the average Chinese factory worker begins to expect and demand more compensation for their labor, we will see a correction in the labor market which will eventually make Chinese products no near as cheap to produce and export. If the ChiCom government forces wages down, then we'll widespread protest in the coming years. And, it doesn't do much good to transplant rural Chinese into the metro areas to replace skilled Chinese laborers: 1. The huge displacement of workers would create social unrest. 2. The lag time in retraining a whole new crop of machinists and assemblers from a peasant class would affect quality and delivery times. 3. It will be easier to edge up salaries, even if it does stunt exports, simply to maintain domestic harmony and keep the domestic market (huge) supplied.
Will China fade? No. Will it face the same economic "correction" as the Japans, Taiwans, Koreas, and Latin Americas of the world? Yes..
We are simply seeing the law of supply and demand at work. Will the average consumer pay $10 more for an American made iron versus a foreign made model that looks identical in quality? No, and I'm a prime example. Right now, China has the cheap labor......just like Japan did in the 60's and 70's.....like Taiwan had in the 80's...like Mexico had in the 90's. We've seen this cycle before and it simply continues as another cheap labor force is coming to bear on the marketplace.
Right now, and for the foreseeable 5-10 years, cheap Chinese labor will have an impact on buying practices. But, as the average Chinese factory worker begins to expect and demand more compensation for their labor, we will see a correction in the labor market which will eventually make Chinese products no near as cheap to produce and export. If the ChiCom government forces wages down, then we'll widespread protest in the coming years. And, it doesn't do much good to transplant rural Chinese into the metro areas to replace skilled Chinese laborers: 1. The huge displacement of workers would create social unrest. 2. The lag time in retraining a whole new crop of machinists and assemblers from a peasant class would affect quality and delivery times. 3. It will be easier to edge up salaries, even if it does stunt exports, simply to maintain domestic harmony and keep the domestic market (huge) supplied.
Will China fade? No. Will it face the same economic "correction" as the Japans, Taiwans, Koreas, and Latin Americas of the world? Yes..
Affordable
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Dargo,thanks for the kind words, I try to tell all of our customers the trade off for the money they will save and let them make there own decision.We give a 1-year parts & labor warranty on ours some dealers give a 6-month parts only.I think the biggest issue with chinese tractors have been getting parts when something did break,well parts are easy to get and cost alot less than other tractor parts also.Since we have been selling these tractors they have improved 300% ,and now offer EPA approved engines (extra cost) In the small excavaters I have seen Kubota and Perkins diesel engines in them ?This board has helped alot of customers with there buying decisions and I'm happy to be part of it.
Tommy
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Tommy
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thegreatrandini
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Who has an "American made compact tractor"?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But, as the average Chinese factory worker begins to expect and demand more compensation for their labor, we will see a correction in the labor market which will eventually make Chinese products no near as cheap to produce and export. If the ChiCom government forces wages down, then we'll widespread protest in the coming years. )</font>
Then the ChiCom government can simply bring out the T72 tanks again and everyone will be happy again. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Then the ChiCom government can simply bring out the T72 tanks again and everyone will be happy again. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
OrangeGuy
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"...great tractors, old technology..."
Affordable,
I just read an interesting article about "Tier I, II, III and IV" emissions standards for diesel engines. According to the article, major diesel engine manufacturers are investing millions and millions of dollars to meet these current and upcoming environmental requirements. with the admittedly "old technology" of the Chinese tractors does it mean that their days are perhaps numbered or are these "old technology" companies making investments in new technology so they can continue to sell tractors into the US market? If Kubota, JD and New Holland are facing formibable challenges to meet these new standards, will the Chinese manufacturers, so used to "old technology", be able to make the necessary investments to modernize their "old technology"?
OrangeGuy
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I just read an interesting article about "Tier I, II, III and IV" emissions standards for diesel engines. According to the article, major diesel engine manufacturers are investing millions and millions of dollars to meet these current and upcoming environmental requirements. with the admittedly "old technology" of the Chinese tractors does it mean that their days are perhaps numbered or are these "old technology" companies making investments in new technology so they can continue to sell tractors into the US market? If Kubota, JD and New Holland are facing formibable challenges to meet these new standards, will the Chinese manufacturers, so used to "old technology", be able to make the necessary investments to modernize their "old technology"?
OrangeGuy
