ck20 will it work a 4n1 bucket?

[Agentiron]

I was wondering if a ck20 will have the flow to use a 4n1 bucket effectively? I also wonder if there will be any significant weight issues with it. The Long 4n1 does not appear that heavy, and it seems some of the small Kubota tractors have them on them. Any thoughts or experience would be great.
AI

 

[IslandTractor]

If you can get a light weight 4n1 from WR Long or ATI you should be fine. Just keep the 4n1 under 400lbs so you don't eat up too much of the 1070lb lift capacity of the KL120 loader.

You'll also need to decide between adding a QA adapter (more weight) or getting a Kioti specific pin mount version of the 4N1 (not as quick to attach and less easily sold).

 

[MarkV]

Like Island Tractor said weight is the issue for smaller tractors. I looked into to a 4in1 bucket for my B21, very similar capacities to your tractor, and found that most will weigh 200+ lbs. greater than your stock bucket. For me the 20% loss in loader capacity was not worth the versatility of the 4 in 1 bucket. Others on the forum run them on B21’s and would not be without one. Just depends on your uses.

MarkV

 

[Agentiron]

Thanks fellas

I understand the weight issue, but am also concerned about the hydralic flow, trying to use multiple functions at one time. The tractor is fine working into a pile, not fast as you know, but adaquate. Now what if I am trying to curl the bucket, raise the loader, close the jaw, and move into something? Maybe all functions will not come into play at the same time, I was just currious if this would be more problems for me then the cool bucket would be worth.

Thanks
AI

 

[IslandTractor]

Hydraulic flow is not a major issue with 4n1 buckets. You are controlling a couple of relatively small dual acting cylinders which really don't take up much flow at all. Additionally it is unusual to be open/closing the bucket while moving so the HST is not competing for hydraulic capacity. I don't think a 4n1 would use any more than a grapple. I used a grapple very successfully on my CK20.

 

[hazmat]

... Additionally it is unusual to be open/closing the bucket while moving so the HST is not competing for hydraulic capacity. ....

Kiotis may be different, but every HST tractor I'm familiar with has a separate pump for the hydraulics and transmission, so there is no competition for hydraulic flow. Of course both pumps are powered by the same engine, so there is competition for HP - I've been known to stall a tractor by pushing into a pile & lifting at the same time

 

[IslandTractor]

I believe some tractors have single pumps and the CK20 is one. As I recall it has about 8 gallons per minute capacity which is pretty good for a 21hp tractor. As you point out though the real issue is stalling the tractor. No way would anyone stall a tractor opening or closing a 4n1. Lifting a heavy load, yes, and digging or mowing yes but not operating a relatively small pair of cylinders.

 

[dfkrug]

Kiotis may be different, but every HST tractor I'm familiar with has a separate pump for the hydraulics and transmission, so there is no competition for hydraulic flow. Of course both pumps are powered by the same engine, so there is competition for HP - I've been known to stall a tractor by pushing into a pile & lifting at the same time

That's it, HAZ.

I recently sold my B21 w/ 4n1 and I bought a CK20 for a friend a few
years ago. These 2 CUTs are very close in weight and power, and both
can handle a lighter 4n1. Hyd flow is not an issue and the HST pumps
are totally different and separate from the implement gear pump. I do
think both machines are a bit under-powered, so you can experience
this while moving and using the implement pump at less than full throttle.

I now want a 4n1 for my CK30. This is a 50% heavier CUT than the B21
or CK20, but I still want a bkt that is 54-60" wide maximum and under 500#,
if I can get one. The biggest value I see for the 4n1 is the grading ability.
The grapple ability is useful, but not as good as a dedicated grapple. If
I can get a 4n1, I will never need to remove my backhoe to use my box
scraper.

 

[IslandTractor]

I now want a 4n1 for my CK30. This is a 50% heavier CUT than the B21
or CK20, but I still want a bkt that is 54-60" wide maximum and under 500#,
if I can get one. The biggest value I see for the 4n1 is the grading ability.
The grapple ability is useful, but not as good as a dedicated grapple. If
I can get a 4n1, I will never need to remove my backhoe to use my box
scraper.

I bought a used WRLong 4n1 that weighs about 400lbs. I use it exactly as you are proposing and for that purpose (something on the FEL to help with various tasks while the BH is mounted) it works fine.

The CK30 loader actually is only a smigin more powerful than the CK20 loader but in either case, for the type of work being proposed I think one of the light duty WRLong 4n1s would do fine. Mine is a 60 inch UJ260 which is listed at 445lbs. If you are not planning to use it to lift a lot then the weight is not such a problem. Figure the standard bucket must weigh 150-200 lbs so you are really reducing lift capacity by 250lbs which would leave the KL120/KL130 with 800-900lbs of capacity or about what the Kubota B series loaders for the B7500/7600 have with stock buckets. They do make a lighter duty hydrojaw version which weighs only 340lbs. Not sure what the differences are other than weight, shielding for the hydraulic cylinder and bucket capacity (10 vs 9).

 

[dfkrug]

I bought a used WRLong 4n1 that weighs about 400lbs. I use it exactly as you are proposing and for that purpose (something on the FEL to help with various tasks while the BH is mounted) it works fine.

The CK30 loader actually is only a smigin more powerful than the CK20 loader but in either case, for the type of work being proposed I think one of the light duty WRLong 4n1s would do fine. Mine is a 60 inch UJ260 which is listed at 445lbs. If you are not planning to use it to lift a lot then the weight is not such a problem. Figure the standard bucket must weigh 150-200 lbs so you are really reducing lift capacity by 250lbs which would leave the KL120/KL130 with 800-900lbs of capacity or about what the Kubota B series loaders for the B7500/7600 have with stock buckets. They do make a lighter duty hydrojaw version which weighs only 340lbs. Not sure what the differences are other than weight, shielding for the hydraulic cylinder and bucket capacity (10 vs 9).

I would love to land a used WRLong like you did. Even if I have to weld my
own pin-on brackets onto it. I actually expect to have to do that. I just do
not want to pay $2500, which is what the ConstructionAttachments 4n1
for my old Kubota cost. (That sucker was heavy!)

The KL130 bkt weighs only 180# and the lift capacity has been acceptable
to me. I have been able to lift as much as 1500 lb if I do not go too high. A
400-500# 4n1 would be OK.