CK20 woods BH65 plumbing question

[Slackdaddy]

I purchased a Woods BH65 and Subframe kit for my CK20S.
My CK20S has the Factory (Dealer installed) Rear Remote.
The Woods Subframe kit comes with a "plumbing kit"

Has anyone installed a Woods BH on their CK20 and used the factory rear remote?? or do you use the kit that came with the woods ?

Thanks,
Slack

 

[Slackdaddy]

Hmm,
Has anyone installed a Woods Backhoe on a CK20 ?
Did you use the woods plumbing, or the Kioti factory rears ?

Slack

 

[VictorW]

I'm not sure what the Woods plumbing kit is. I use both connections of my rear remote on my CK30hst with a Kioti 2375 bh. I have read where members, especially on larger Kioti tractors, only connect to one factory remote connection for hydraulic pressure and the return goes directly to the tractor sump. Kioti has a kit for this which helps with flow and not heating up the oil as much. Is your Woods kit for the return side? There's a few members that have Woods backhoes so hopefully they will answer when they see your post.

 

[Slackdaddy]

These are pages from the WOODS BH manual



I am not sure where the kioti rear remotes hook in,, guess I have to take the tractor apart

 

[countrybumpkin]

Does your rear remote have spring return to center or detent, that will lock the handle in the direction you move it? To use the rear remotes you will have to have the remote handle locked in one direction to have oil flow to the hoe, so if it's a spring return to center you will need to use a bungee cord or rope ect to lock the lever in place any time you want to operate the hoe. The kit is running the tractors power beyond line through the hoe before it goes back into the tractor , so any time the tractor is running , the hoe has flow and will operate.

 

[Slackdaddy]

My CK20's rear remote is controlled by a factory lever labeled A - N - B and does not return to "N" by itself, it will stay in A or B.
The plumbing kit with the woods subframe has to be connected together when the backhoe is not on, or it will deadhead according to the instructions.

Is there any benefit to installing the woods plumbing? or can I just use the factory remotes ?
Does the hyd fluid cycle had to the sump when the backhoe controls are not "in use" ? or will the pump "deadhead" if I use the factory rear remote?

Thanks,
Slack

Does your rear remote have spring return to center or detent, that will lock the handle in the direction you move it? To use the rear remotes you will have to have the remote handle locked in one direction to have oil flow to the hoe, so if it's a spring return to center you will need to use a bungee cord or rope ect to lock the lever in place any time you want to operate the hoe. The kit is running the tractors power beyond line through the hoe before it goes back into the tractor , so any time the tractor is running , the hoe has flow and will operate.

 

[VictorW]

The Woods backhoe should have open center control valves like the Kioti backhoes. Meaning fluid can flow through the valves, even though you aren't controlling a bh function. This way the fluid just goes through the bh valves and back to the sump. No deadheading occurs. If I'm just moving the tractor to reposition, I leave the remote lever in it's locked position and the fluid flows freely through the bh valves. If I'll be done for a while or using the loader, then I return the remote control to the "N" position. No use having the fluid going through the bh if it's not being used. My Kioti 2375 bh has worked well by running off the remotes. Maybe Woods gives you the plumbing kit because remotes are an option on the smaller tractors like ours and this is a way to power the bh without remotes.

 

[jabelding]

I wouldn't use the Woods remotes they don't give you a shut off like the tractor remote does. All you should need is to hook the pressure in line to the backhoe to the A port usually the top one, and the return to the lower one then put your lever locked in the A position when your using the hoe and take it back out when your through.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Thanks Guys,
I'll post when I get around to getting it al hooked up.

Slack

 

[dfkrug]

Is there any benefit to installing the woods plumbing? or can I just use the factory remotes ?
Does the hyd fluid cycle had to the sump when the backhoe controls are not "in use" ? or will
the pump "deadhead" if I use the factory rear remote?

Woods sells a generic hydraulic hookup package that assumes you will connect to your
tractor's implement pump pressure circuit between 2 valves, usually between FEL and
3-point.

Kioti wants hoes to be powered by the AUX valve they sell, for both IN and OUT. This
is true of both the CK20 and the CK25/30/35. I have installed the AUX valves on both
the 20 and 30. I did not run one of my hoes on the 20, however.

I have powered my hoe for many years this way. It is not ideal in that the hyd flow has
to go thru the body of the AUX valve constantly, which heats the oil. I have tried
sending the OUT flow of the hoe to a fitting I made on the oil fill spout. It did help
in that the oil did not heat as much, but I would get oil backflow up the vent tube when
running fast. I am back to the previous setup.

For a future project, I would like to install my hoe plumbing before the AUX valve,
and dump to the sump at a better dedicated place. Do do so requires you
modify the Kioti hardline/banjo pressure tubing, and drill into the case somewhere
for the return.

If you do it this way, which is better, you will have to reconnect the pressure lines
that you have broken into for the hoe when the hoe is off. This completes the tractor
pressure circuit, and will send all fluid to relief if you do not.