Co-op concepts and ideas anyone?

   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #1  

TimOb

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Power Trac PT425
I remember a thread that mentioned a co-op idea and I got to thinking about this for seldom used implements, which for me might be something like a post hole digger.

I'd like to see if anyone wants to brainstorm this idea so I started this thread just to see what we can come up with.

Here's my first idea: Put together a PT trader webpage. We just use it to manage trading implements. Trading can be buying, selling or just well, trading. It could include a feedback section to help keep us all honest, etc. If it gets popular enough, maybe we could even get a link to it from the PT website. It could be a great selling point.

There would of course be many details to work out.

Is this just food for thought or is it more?

Ok, more ideas anyone?
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #2  
I think a small co-op can work. With two or maybe three people. You select some attachments that don't overlap and are not used a lot. Clint Blake and I are basically doing that. However, we work togther every day, and have a fair amount of trust. I am confident that if he damages one of my attachments then he will either fix it, we will both ignore it, or he will buy me a new one. Most likey I would fix it since I have a welder. He also has so much firepower that if I damaged one of his attachments, I would immediately drive to Tazewell and buy him a new on.
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For near neighbors it could also work.

Farmers used to do co-ops, but I don't know the details of how they made it work. I have heard that one would have a wood shop, and one a black smith shop. They probably worked together on projects.

I also have a co-op with three neighbors. If they need something done, I take the PT and do it. They thank me, and I am happy. If I damage the PT, then I fix it. Probably not what you had in mine, but good relations with your neighbors is priceless, and it's fun to show off and good to get seat time. Some times they give me a little money and one guy helped me pull a really bit stump.

Good luck on this

Bob Rip
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #3  
Tim, I think that I may have sabotaged your thread. I am sorry for that. Let's see if I can get it started again.

My suggestions:
Get with the others and agree on a list of attachments. Have each person set their own prioties on what they must have.
For example:
If you live in snow country it is kinda hard to share a snow plow, unless you are near neighbors. If your are near neighbors this can work real well, as one person can plow both driveways if the other is out of town.

A mower may be used every week and it would be difficult to share back and forth unless you live close. Even then, since it is needed often, you might spend a lot of time moving it back and forth.

Other items are used only seasonally:
The aerator is not used very often and might share well.

Things that are used only for special projects and are very expensive could be shared well. Examples:
Trencher
Post hole digger
Different augers for the post hole digger
Stump grinder.

The trouble with the above is that they all have wear components. Here is where it would be good to have a maintenace fund. When a non-owner uses such a device, he would put some money in a kitty for repairs. Perhaps so much per hole, or so much per foot, or even hour of use. I have had the motors on both my stump grinder and trencher rebuilt because something got caught in the seal. Under $100 in both cases, but this could sour the co-op. Another option is "if it breaks when you have it, you pay for repairs". This is what Clint Blake and I use. This is simple, but if the attachment has been used and worn prior to your use, then it may seem unfair. Of course you can always work out a deal on any specific failure. Still if you know the rule, it makes things easier ato accept.


The grappling bucket and the 4 in 1 are often items of discussion. They are both excellent attachments, but each one is superior to the other at certain functions. They are also fairly expensive. I think these would be really good items for a co-op. They also don't have motors to fail and I think repairs would be fairly inexpensive.
These items might be owned in common, but if somebody moves what do you do.

Other suggestions:
Take a digital picture before and after a loan. This can save a lot of arguments.

In order to help balance things, Clint has purchased a 12 inch bucket for the back hoe. We both have backhoes, so we can move this back and forth pretty easily without stopping normal use.

Attitude: Some people get very concerned if their attachment is scratched, dented, worn, or even used. They should not be in a co-op. You have to accept damage and the fact that things wear out. I figure if my trencher is not worn out before I die, then I have not dug enough trenches for my neighbors.

I hope this helps, but it does seem to get a little complicated. I look forward to comments from others.

Bob Rip
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #4  
Don't forget a 1-13/16th inch wrench! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #5  
That's a good one. Portable, expensive, and not needed too often.

Bob Rip
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #6  
I like the idea...but as a Pt owner with only 2 attachments I wouldn't fit the "sharing" idea very well...but I would be willing to pay as you go for an attachment that is needed on an occassional basis. A need in the not too distant future for me might be a grapple and a chipper/shredder.
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #7  
I think a payed user would be OK. So many $ per hour of use or per day.
I expect that you will be getting other attachments soon.

Bob Rip
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #8  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( A need in the not too distant future for me might be a grapple and a chipper/shredder. )</font>

I'd be interested in occasional access to:

1. Chipper/shredder
2. Stump grinder
3. Trencher
4. Tree shear
5. PHD
6. Winch

I'll likely end up buying/building one or two off that list, but not all...
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #9  
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I expect that you will be getting other attachments soon.

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I have my list but so many other projects are using up my attachment list $$ /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Co-op concepts and ideas anyone? #10  
In general, I like the idea of creating a better marketplace for used PT attachments. I have an 18” auger but no post hole digger (sold the original PHD to the neighbor). I’d like to have a PHD again but don’t have a compelling need at the moment and can’t justify the expense. However, I keep the auger because, someday, I will buy another PHD. In the interim, prices keep going up and I won’t be able to find a used one when I’m ready. If there was a ready market for used PT attachments, I would sell it now and buy a used one when and if I ever needed it again.

The other advantage of a better market is that prices could find their natural equilibrium. When I’ve priced used PT attachments in the past, I find that the sellers usually fall into one of two camps. One group realizes the market for used PT attachments is very small and, therefore, prices the attachment very aggressively so it will sell. Usually this is around 50% or so of current list price. The other group wants to recover as much of the original purchase price as possible and usually charges 80%+ of list. If a good marketplace existed, like eBay has for many items, one could get a “feel” for the reasonable value of the item by watching historical sales prices. This would help both buyers and sellers because a “fair” price would be easier to determine.
 

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