Complain to gov. Stop Ethanol-15 fuel dump

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Where can you find a good open ear in Government of the Usa for the complaint of Forcing people to buy the E-15 fuel? I am wired on this mess as it cost more to make it ,than it sells for and cuts fuel mileage to boot. I am not going to roll over and enjoy this joke of an energy gimmick. Ahla Gore...Jy
 
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Where can you find a good open ear in Government of the Usa for the complaint of Forcing people to buy the E-15 fuel? I am wired on this mess as it cost more to make it ,than it sells for and cuts fuel mileage to boot. I am not going to roll over and enjoy this joke of an energy gimmick. Ahla Gore...Jy

It is sad to say that the only people that will listen to you will be officials with conservative leaning politics and they don't control the current agenda or what is going with energy policy today. The "left" now have the EPA trying to go at Cap and Tax, now that they can't get it through Congress . Sad but true. Ken Sweet
 
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Our new govenor was concerned, as he OWNs over 150 Pilot truck stops...The fuel tanks on over half of them are single wall type. These must be replaced for the new fuel, to double wall monitoring type for leaks. Our company just bought a new fiberglass double wall tank for underground, quite an undertaking to install it. I am serious, IF enough people can get their Reps. attention, we might have a chance.If not we will be like sheep and still get the shaft.
 
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ByMarcJ.Rauch
Exec.VicePresident/Co-Publisher
THE AUTO CHANNEL
• SEE ALSO: Why this issue is so important to The Auto Channel


First: Who are the gasoline xxxxxxxx? They are the collection of groups and associations paid by petroleum oil and gasoline producers to influence (bribe?) politicians and media personalities to keep us addicted to gasoline regardless of the cost (financial, emotional and philosophical). Their efforts serve one master, and that master is not the United States of America nor is it the American people. See below for the names of some of the specific groups that make up the gasoline xxxxxx.

The gasoline xxxxxxx business is to protect gasoline interests; to maintain their domination of our economy. They fight to keep getting the vast government subsidies that they've been getting for more than 100 years; they fight to keep getting undeserved tax breaks and other government perquisites; and of course, they fight to keep any alternative fuel or energy solution from becoming accepted and challenging gasoline primacy. In the fight against alternative fuels - next to payoffs - they rely most heavily on lies. They lie about the cost of the alt fuels, they lie about the manufacturing process, they lie about the health issues, they lie about the alt fuels' effects on business and industry. They are liars. For more information and historical background see:

• The Auto Channel Fights for the Truth about Ethanol Versus Gasoline

• Our 'Opium War' with Gasoline

Today, November 9th, 2010 a so-called diverse coalition of farm and food trade associations filed a Federal lawsuit in an attempt to overturn the Environmental Protection Agency's recent announcement to recommend that the percentage of ethanol (alcohol) that is added to gasoline could be increased from 10% to 15%. This coalition was organized by those entities cited below to appear to represent a well-meaning collection of industries that are expressing well thought-out anti-ethanol position. In truth, the positions are simply childish. I won't even call the positions puerile because the word "puerile" is too sophisticated to describe their silly statements. They are probably all receiving direct bribes or some sort of financial inducements to participate in the lawsuit. The lawsuit claims that the EPA "exceeded their statutory authority."

Let me also say that to describe the lawsuit as "frivolous," as I did in the headline is really a gross understatement. I only used the word "frivolous" because I didn't want the headline to be longer than this entire piece. Words like stupid, idiotic, treasonous, false, wrong, incompetent, misinformed, dangerous, humorous and malicious could have all been included.

To begin with, the EPA merely announced that they are recommending that an additional 5% of ethanol could be added to gasoline used in 2006 and newer vehicles; thereby making it e15. Much to the displeasure of The Auto Channel and nearly all pro-ethanol entities the EPA did not mandate the increased amount of ethanol in all gasolines, and their recommendation only covered fairly new vehicles. Moreover, the recommendation was limited to just an e15 blend, although the EPA admitted that they tested up to a blend of e20 with no adverse effects on the tested vehicles.

Protesting the EPA recommendation is especially absurd considering that up until the EPA announcement the same coalition kept petitioning the EPA to conduct more research before issuing the recommendation. They never questioned the EPA's role in the process, or the EPA's authority to be involved. In other words, the coalition only found fault with the EPA's announcement because it went against their ridiculous position. The only reason that it took this long for the EPA to say yes to e15 is because they yielded to pressure from the gasoline xxxxxxx to not approve the increased level of ethanol. The EPA, of course, found no problems so they had to finally make the announcement. Incidentally, the EPA is supposed to announce later this month or in December that it is okay to also use e15 blends in vehicles that are as old as 2001. We believe that the recommendation to do so is slam-dunk since all vehicles manufactured since the early 1990's can use far higher level or ethanol blends with no problem – but this issue is dealt with in my other editorials.
Now, let me address the preposterous statements made by some of the members of this vaunted coalition - all of whom should be ashamed of themselves:

Grocery Manufacturers Association Vice President for Federal Affairs Scott Faber said: “We were disappointed in the Administration’s decision to allow more ethanol in gasoline before truly sustainable advanced biofuels are commercially available. Not only will this decision adversely affect millions of consumers who don’t drive brand new cars, but also countless Americans who are struggling to feed their families in a recovering economy. Recent spikes in corn prices due to supply concerns will only be exacerbated by this decision. This legal action will give EPA a second chance to get this important decision right.”
The Auto Channel's response: Truly sustainable advanced biofuels? Humans have been making alcohol for thousands of years from nearly any plant they could find, what’s more sustainable than that. Advanced biofuels? That’s okay, too, once they’re ready, but why wait for cheaper fuel prices, oil independence and a cleaner environment when we have perfectly good truly sustainable biofuels right now – of which ethanol is only one alternative. By the way Mr. Faber, I challenge you to name what projected biofuels you’re referring to. I think you don’t know. I think you are reading/writing off a prepared script.
Regarding spikes in corn prices: According to Jay O'Neil, Senior Agricultural Economist at Kansas State University, a $4.00 retail box of corn flakes contains only 6 cents worth of corn. So if corn prices skyrocket 30% there would be 8 cents worth of corn in a $4.00 retail box of corn flakes. No, Mr., Faber, if the price of food goes up it is because transportation fuel has gone up, it's because marketing costs have increased, it's because grocery stores have increased their profit margins, it's not because corn prices have increased.

American Meat Institute President and CEO J. Patrick Boyle said: “Corn prices have increased since USDA released estimates that corn production for this year was going to be 3.4 percent less than 2009. This will put pressure on the meat and poultry supply, which will lead to higher food prices for consumers. For those consumers worried about climbing food prices, this decision will increase the amount of corn being diverted to our gas tanks and away from meat and poultry production. It’s unfortunate that EPA acted hastily and approved the use of E15, and now the American consumer will pay for it at the grocery store.”

TACH’s response: About 90% of the corn produced in the U.S. is used for feed stock. Much or most of the “corn” that is fed to cattle, for instance, is in the form of “distillers grain,” corn that has already been processed for ethanol and then re-used. Since the re-used portion is the only part that the cattle can digest, using the corn for ethanol is pretty much a perfect symbiotic relationship. So even if the price of raw corn goes up, its interim use to create ethanol is irrelevant to price of meat. A rise in meat prices, if justified, is because of other factors, and not really related to corn.

National Council of Chain Restaurants Vice President Scott Vinson said: “This challenge to the EPA’s decision is necessary to reduce the strain that ethanol production from corn has placed on U.S. agriculture. The EPA's decision will lead to an ever higher proportion of the nation's corn crop being diverted to fuel use, raising prices for participants in the food chain and consumers. Already supported by market-distorting mandates, tax credits and import tariffs, ethanol demand for corn has been singled out as the preferred use for U.S agricultural production long enough. Corn is an extremely important commodity used in feeding the world, and it's about time we reverse the trend of burning more and more of it as fuel.”

TACH's reply: Mr. Vinson, what script are you reading from? Why don't you question the government subsidies and allotments that the oil/gasoline industry has been receiving for more than 100 years? Why don't you question the billions of dollars of our money that is spent to protect enemy regimes and their oil? Oh, by the way, the world isn't fed by eating corn; wheat is your huckleberry. Wake up and smell the grease, buddy.

National Meat Association CEO Barry Carpenter said: “National Meat Association is joining this petition because EPA has overstepped its legal authority and taken action contrary to the interests of consumers and food producers. NMA believes the petition is necessary to defend against the cost increases and food insecurity that will result from EPA's action."
TACH’s response: We already said it.

National Turkey Federation President Joel Brandenberger said: “In trying so hard to rush out an E15 rule before Election Day, EPA completely disregarded the legitimate scientific concerns surrounding E15 and the potentially disastrous impact of diverting even more corn from food and feed to fuel. We believe the agency ignored the law as well, and we are confident the court will agree.”

TACH’s response: There are no legitimate scientific concerns regarding the use of ethanol. Ethanol is a proven engine fuel used around the world. It has been so used since the earliest automobiles in the mid 1800's. Until lies such as the ones that you spout about ethanol were created by gasoline interests, ethanol was the preferred fuel of choice by people in the know. Contemporary studies and research continually prove that ethanol hasn't suddenly become bad: It's as good and safe as it always was.

National Chicken Council Senior Vice President and Chief Economist Bill Roenigk said: “With corn supplies very tight and ending inventories projected to be precariously low, corn costs continue to head toward historical highs. Any unnecessary and arbitrary action by the government that would exacerbate the situation for traditional corn users is very questionable and an unwise move at this time.”

TACH’s reply: You’re an economist? You mean you should actually know how prices are raised and lowered – often by the fickle finger of commodity speculators - and lay the blame on ethanol as the factor for higher prices? Perhaps you should read the World Bank's reassessment of why corn prices went up a couple of years ago. It was not, as they first claimed, because of the growth of ethanol. Just how much were you paid to write your comment, or is it just part of your job description to misrepresent?

National Pork Producers Council Environment Committee Chairman Randy Spronk, a pork producer from Edgerton, Minn., said: “EPA expects pork producers to abide by the law, and rightfully so. Pork Producers also expect EPA to do likewise.”

TACH's response: What? What law? The EPA made a non-binding (unfortunately) recommendation. What law did they break? Mr. Spronk, are you awake? Did you even read one sentance in the EPA announcement?

Snack Food Association President and CEO Jim McCarthy said: “In addition to failing to follow the spirit of the Clean Air Act, the EPA has made a decision that will adversely impact our food supply and ultimately cost American consumers greatly.”

TACH’s response: Hey, we love a candy bar and potato chips as much as the next person. But now some guy who represents an industry that might just be the biggest demon in the world is telling us about the environment and product costs! If there's only 6 cents worth of corn in a $4.00 box of corn flakes, I shudder to think of how much we are getting ripped off on a $4.00 bag of tortilla chips.

But, the number one reason why the lawsuit and entire opposition to e15 is so off base: We don't need corn to make ethanol, there are plenty of other agricultural products and by-products that can be used, and many of them do not require chemical fertilization or the use of “valuable” farm land. The whole issue of corn's use for ethanol is irrelevant.
In The Auto Channel's opinion the EPA did not go far enough in their announcement last month about e15, but we recognize that they just may not have the authority to do anything further. So we look to the guy from Illinois we elected president, who promised in a nationally televised speech that we were going to get change in our energy policy, and that that change would involve transforming the U.S. into an alternative-fuel energy-independent nation: Yo, Barry, get rid of gasoline. We don’t need it; it only props up all the regimes that want to kill us. Get off the stick and make something happen.


gator6x4 said:________________________________________________________________________

Think about fuel cost for a minute. In a market based society theoretically the more of a product that is sold the lower the cost per unit. With carbon products used in internal combustion engines and home heating systems the opposite is true. The more that is used the higher the cost per unit. More than one Company providing carbon products used for use in vehicles and home heating units reported profits of 40-46 Billion Dollars last year.

Now think about this for a moment, how much negative input one billion of that 40-46 Billion dollar profit can generate to insure my profits for upcoming years remains as great or greater.

The use of fuel extenders or alternate fuels to impact negatively on the cost of a gallon of fuel cannot be tolerated. Studies have shown manufactured after 2006 can use fuels containing 5-10-15% by volume ethanol without adverse impact. I personally have not had a problem with gasoline purchased at any provider impacting negatively on small engines that I own. Some of the small engines I am using “Today’s” gasoline in were manufactured in the late 60’s or early 70’s.

The World study on August 3, 2010 concluded bio fuels have nothing to do with the increased cost of food, or contributes in any way to the so called food shortage. Greed and speculation is impacting negatively on the cost of carbon based fuels today. I personally think we should be demanding something can be done to curb the strangle hold carbon based energy producers/suppliers have on our economy today.

World Bank Report Takes New Look at Food and Fuel - Domestic Fuel
 
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Where can you find a good open ear in Government of the Usa for the complaint of Forcing people to buy the E-15 fuel?

I'm moving my computer desk from the office out into the entry hall of my house, and I'm counting on the people out there in internet land to keep me informed minute-by-minute. I want to be prepared when the black vans and helicopters show up so I can quickly double deadbolt the doors.

If/when they pick my locks and then disable several levels of booby traps to get to me, how are they going to go about "forcing" me to use E15? Am I looking at some serious suggestions from them, or are they going to get physical and rough me up?

:eek:
 
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:laughing:
I'm moving my computer desk from the office out into the entry hall of my house, and I'm counting on the people out there in internet land to keep me informed minute-by-minute. I want to be prepared when the black vans and helicopters show up so I can quickly double deadbolt the doors.

If/when they pick my locks and then disable several levels of booby traps to get to me, how are they going to go about "forcing" me to use E15? Am I looking at some serious suggestions from them, or are they going to get physical and rough me up?

:eek:

There going to force you to use it by mandating its implementation by making it the only legal fuel to sell.

If you want e0 fuel you will have to buy the e15 pour water in it let it emulsify and then pour off the pure fuel of the top , then you will have to add an octane booster cause you lowered your octane to some degree as the ethonol is used as an increaser. Best to be safe is to start with 91 octane or higher fuel!
 
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Small staions are not set up to sell e15.... their tanks don't qualify. E-10 will be phased out for complaince. if you have not had small engine troubles, that is Great...My manual on the 2010 suv I drive says do not Exceed e10 content. As to the black vans and hiding in the hallway, you need to watch your subversive activitys. Remember Ruby Ridge.
 
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Hey Gator6x4...
You posted the truth but most will go on believing the lies and half truths they have been fed by the haters that are standing on their soap boxes spread.

It is so apartment that many of these anti EPA followers can not remember what life was becoming in the larger cities back in the early 70's... too bad, they were either not yet born, or didn't care to notice. Ever hear of smog... it use to be heavy in most large cities, this was with a lot LESS motor vehicle traffic than we have today.

Changes in fuel and fuel spec requirements is ALSO to allow the complainers the ability to live a bit healthier lives... In many ways that is also too bad.

There are always going to be conspiracy theory guided folks... And there are more than enough misguided people that will latch on to the non-sense that is spread.
 

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