Concrete floor in pole barn

   / Concrete floor in pole barn #11  
The building code states 8" between the ground and any non-ground contact decay able building material. When you get caught on this big time is during an inspection relative to a sale. I made that a repair condition in an offer, seller balked until 3 offers later and they all came in with the same. Seller begged me to honor my old offer. Told him no, you are now stuck with it. I had found something else.

Ron
 
   / Concrete floor in pole barn #12  
The building code states 8" between the ground and any non-ground contact decay able building material. When you get caught on this big time is during an inspection relative to a sale. I made that a repair condition in an offer, seller balked until 3 offers later and they all came in with the same. Seller begged me to honor my old offer. Told him no, you are now stuck with it. I had found something else.

Ron


It's not quite that simple. If it's floor joists in a crawl, the rule is clearance of less than 18" requires an approved protected lumber ** (see list below). If beams in a crawl, 12". If wood siding/sheathing, 6". Framing members that rest on concrete/masonry, 8". And sills/sleepers on concrete/masonry only need a moisture barrier. I don't believe there is a category that covers skirt boards on a pole barn, and that aspect of the barn is likely not covered by code anyhow (or it would be the inspector's call). Note in the types of lumber below that there are numerous categories that are acceptable to code that are not ground-contact rated (only C4 is ground contact rated). So anyhow, you don't necessarily need it to be ground contact rated, and the 8" number is specific to framing resting on concrete/masonry.

** Approved lumber is one that is pressure treated in accordance with AWPA C1, C2, C3, C4, C9, C15, C18, C22, C23, C24, C28, C31, C33, P1, P2 and P3, or decay-resistant heartwood of redwood, black locust, or cedars.

The only thing I would add is that my barn passed code review and final inspection with UC3B skirt boards, which are not rated for ground contact, and the plans examiners raked me over the coals. They would have jumped all over that if it was a problem.
 
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It's not quite that simple. If it's floor joists in a crawl, the rule is clearance of less than 18" requires an approved protected lumber ** (see list below). If beams in a crawl, 12". If wood siding/sheathing, 6". Framing members that rest on concrete/masonry, 8". And sills/sleepers on concrete/masonry only need a moisture barrier. I don't believe there is a category that covers skirt boards on a pole barn, and that aspect of the barn is likely not covered by code anyhow (or it would be the inspector's call). Note in the types of lumber below that there are numerous categories that are acceptable to code that are not ground-contact rated (only C4 is ground contact rated). So anyhow, you don't necessarily need it to be ground contact rated, and the 8" number is specific to framing resting on concrete/masonry. ** Approved lumber is one that is pressure treated in accordance with AWPA C1, C2, C3, C4, C9, C15, C18, C22, C23, C24, C28, C31, C33, P1, P2 and P3, or decay-resistant heartwood of redwood, black locust, or cedars. The only thing I would add is that my barn passed code review and final inspection with UC3B skirt boards, which are not rated for ground contact, and the plans examiners raked me over the coals. They would have jumped all over that if it was a problem.

I have already had the final inspection, which was nothing more than a visual so I am not worried about that aspect. Just wondering the best way to keep the skirt boards from bowing when concrete is poured. My posts are 9' OC and there is a little flex in them. I didnt want to build a bunch of wood anchor supports, but will if thats the best way. I didnt know if back filling the outside was the more convenient method instead of wasting money on more wood to brace it.

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   / Concrete floor in pole barn #14  
Did you see the picture in the thread I posted a few days ago? That's what you need to do in my opinion. Could be as simple as stakes driven against the skirt if you only have one board.
 
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Did you see the picture in the thread I posted a few days ago? That's what you need to do in my opinion. Could be as simple as stakes driven against the skirt if you only have one board.
Yes I did see the pic, thank you

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