Counter weight for the FEL

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Daxamundo

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Coupland, TX
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Mahindra 3505
I read through a post here talking about filling up the rear tires of the tractor to provide a counter weight (or balance) for front-end loader work. I have the 3505 with FEL. I checked with Sales at Bill's Tractor and found that they do have weights for the rear wheels, but they are expensive ($345) and they only provide a total of 150 lbs. Considering that I have a shredder (5") that weights about 500 lbs., it seems to make more sense just to use it (or my box blade) for counter weight. I just don't want to go through the process of filling up my rear tires with fluid. I expect to be lifting some gravel and sand soon.

Any thoughts?
 
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I'm in the same situation with my 4110. I am probably going to fill the rear tires. I know a guy that added weight to the rear of his tractor by strapping an old engine block to his box blade for added weight.
 
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It just seems like a lot of work to fill the rear tires (based on what I have read from another post here). The advantage is, I suppose, you don't have something sticking out from the back of the tractor (i.e. like a 5' shredder).
 
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Make your own wheel weights. You can have over twice the the weight of the factory weights for about the same money. You can take off wheels weights a lot easier than taking out fluid.
 
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I opted to go with wheel weights versus fluid in the tires. My 4500, 4wd, FEL got a little light in the rear end with a loader bucket full of gravel. I talked to my dealer and I wanted 1,000#'s of wheel weights. He wasn't sure of the price but told me he'd get back to me in a day. The next day he called me back and said if I went to 1,100#'s(anything over 1,000#'s was shipped freight FREE) I got 1,100#'s for $650.00. I had to furnish the 5/8" threaded metal rod but it was a straight forward job. I'll see the dealer next week to pickup the tractor with the new backhoe installed(dealer is 210 miles away). I now have closer dealerships within 50 miles of my house but the original dealer is darn fantastic that I'd follow him anywhere if I had to. He is more than fair, good prices and a man of his word. If you want...I'll ask him where he ordered the weights from.
 
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Yes, please do find out where he ordered them from. I have a 3505, do you think they will fit my wheels?
 
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I am no expert but I do have an engineering backround. I would shy away from any additional weights except for fluid in the tires or wheel weights. Adding weight to an implement puts additional load on the hitch and also the rear axles and housing. Wheel weights or filled tires do not. Just my $.02 worth.

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<font color="green"> I would shy away from any additional weights except for fluid in the tires or wheel weights. Adding weight to an implement puts additional load on the hitch and also the rear axles and housing. </font>


Interesting observation, but don't most of the tractor manufacturers RECOMMEND using a weight box? Often they recommend a weight box AND loaded tires/wheel weights. The 3pt hitch is designed to carry the load and is probably the strongest part of the tractor in terms of being able to handles stress, load, and shock.

When using a FEL it is important to understand that proper ballast is more important than simple weight. Ballast is weight in the correct place.
 
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Friends
I am a firm believer in loaded tires and or wheel weights for all loader tractors. The only exception might be if you mainly use the tractor for finish mowing and the extra weight would be an issue with compaction. I think relying on a weight box or implement is asking for trouble. Will a weight box or implement be sufficient ballast? In many cases absolutely, but the problem is accidents do not happen when you are thinking. They happen when you are in a hurry and you jump on your tractor dig into a load and start down a hill and forgot to attach the weight box. That is just one example. If you fill your tires and if necessary and additional wheel weights, you do not have to remember to hook anything on. I think the closer you get to fool proof the better. We are all human and can forget.
Happy Tractoring
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Thanks for the advice. It sounds like fluid and/or weights are a good idea.
 
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<font color="blue"> I think relying on a weight box or implement is asking for trouble. </font>

I'm going to give a couple of true life examples and everyone can judge as they see fit. I operate 2 different CUTs, one is small but a fairly heavy New Holland (not as heavy as a Korean machine, but still on the heavy side of the spectrum), that tractor is used often for mowing and also for FEL work. I also operate a larger Kubota, which is only very slightly heavier (300#) than the smaller framed NH, the Kubota is never used for mowing.

The NH has a weight box. The Kubota has fluid fill in the rears.

On a regualar basis the NH is out being used for loader work, quite often there is no implement on the rear, no weight box, and no additional weight other than the MMM deck, which is not even in the correct place to add proper ballast.

The Kubota, more often than not, has a heavy box blade attached, in addition to the fluid filled rears.

Typically, the heavy little NH is out doing chores like mowing, and something needs to be moved so since that tractor is under my rear end I lift and move the whatever with the FEL. If we are talking mulch or branches then there is no issue, as those are very light. If we are talking pea gravel, clay, dirt, stone, or sod, then I am making a dangerous choice as the weight box is back up the hill, tucked inside the garage. Now if I KNOW I am going out to do FEL work, then the weight box goes on the back end, but that is not the norm. SO, either I make the choice to add the weight box, or I make the choice to take my chances . . . either way, I am VERY AWARE of what I am doing. I have NEVER come close to flipping this tractor on its side.

The Kubota, on the other hand, has its weight built in via the fluid fill tires. I take it for granted that the weight is there and I never think about it. I was out moving some large granite 8" to 15" diameter cobblestones with the FEL. A large dump truckload was spilled into my ditch (on purpose) but I needed to move half of them from one side of my drive to the other side. I was working on FLAT SMOOTH LEVEL ASPHALT and simply digging into the pile, picking up a bucketload of cobblestones and moving them about 30'. On one of the trips, I was lifting the FEL and tipping it back and the load shifted to one side of the bucket, I was turning the tractor sharp to the right and the load shifted to the same side, the tractor started to tip over. I was able to slam down the bucket and spin the steering wheel to get the left wheels back down on the ground. I didn't tip, but I learned a couple lessons.

#1, wear the seatbelt
#2, even when the load in the bucket is light (there were only 6 stones in that bucket!!!) the tractor can fall over.
#3, ALWAYS be aware

There is no way that being a light tractor or a heavy tractor would have made much difference because that bucket load was so far below the capacity of the weight limit (maybe 25% or 30% of the total capacity???) that is was almost silly to think that the tractor could tip. What happened is that I took too many things for granted, and I stopped being aware.

I love the fluid fill, but the reality is that fluid fill is NOT ENOUGH ballast on most tractors. Check your owners manual and find out how much ballast you NEED. Then figure out how to get that much ballast. My guess is that you will need fluid & an implement/weigth box.

Also understand, the heavier the tractor the MORE ballast you need. Heavy tractors make great FEL machines, but they actually need more ballast because the FELs typically have more capacity.

My NH recommends fluid fill & wheel weight. OR fluid fill & a ballast box. OR wheel weights & a ballast box.

Also realize that 500# of weight in a ballast box hanging off the 3pt hitch is about equal to 750# or 800# of fluid fill because the "lever effect" from your old high school geometry class comes into play (and you told that teacher you would never use geometry when you grew up).

So if I was you, I would think long and hard about the facts, about the laws of physics and the principles of geometry as you make your decisions. I agree with Chipperman, I believe in loaded tires or wheel weights. But I also believe that that is NOT ENOUGH if you are lifting objects that are heavy or are subject to move. And your owners manual will very likely tell you that I am correct that you need more than a simple fluid fill.
 
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Sorry for the lapse in time to return with the info on the wheel weight manufacturer that supplies wheel weights for the Mahindra tractors folks. The dealer I purchased mine from tells me the name of the wholesaler is North State Sales at 800-843-4567. He is not certain if they will sell retail or only thru dealerships but try that tel # first. If they won't sell direct to you, then find a good dealership and not necessarily a Mahindra dealer. I think a 5% to 10% markup is reasonable considering there is no work involved from his end except a phone call. Be certain to inquire as to poundage quantity to ensure free freight. If you have any questions - send me a private post and I'll give you the name of my dealership who will certainly make this work in your behalf. North State will want to know how many bolt holes there are in the rear wheel rim for the wheel weights and tire size. Mahindra has a lot of wheel configurations out in the field and the last thing you want to do is return 1,100 lbs of iron to the seller because you ordered wrong.

I'd like to share an interesting side note to this by adding that my weights were imbossed with "INDIA" which leads me to believe that this is the country that manufactured the wheel weights.
 

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