Loader Cracking rear long length weld

   / Cracking rear long length weld #1  

fmargolis

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It has a quarter inch wide crack on loader bucket on the long weld at the back bottom about 2/3 the length. Not unstable. The curved surface inside the bucket is fine. Just the perpendicular where the bottom plate and back plate make a 90 degree in the back. Want to weld or have welded. Cost to have welded?? If I bought a stick welder and used 7018 what Voltage 110 or 220 would I need? 110v more portable for other jobs. 220v line only in my garage. So if tractor can not be moved ever for some reason and need to weld something on it I can not use a 220v welder. If gonna spend $200-500 for welder want to make sure weld is strong enough for the FEL repair but want flexibility to weld elsewhere on property or even on the B26 if it can not be moved. If cheaper to have a pro do in case I never use the welder again, please advise me approx cost. Thanks
 
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   / Cracking rear long length weld #2  
A picture of the crack would be helpful. 80-90% of the time I'm "welding" is spent on joint preparation and after weld peening, slag/spatter removal, then finish grinding and blending in prep for painting. Getting a good, strong weld takes practice. Spend a lot of time prepping and welding scrap pieces before you attempt to weld anything of value. Removing a bad weld, then prepping to reweld takes much more time than just spending the time to get it well prepped from the start.
 
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Do not learn to weld on something that needs to be correct. Take it off, put it in a truck and head to a welding shop and take advantage of the time there to discuss why it fractured in the first place. Making those connections with a local welding shop can pay dividends in the future on other projects.
 
   / Cracking rear long length weld #5  
If you are serious about learning to weld; get a used 230A AC buzz box. They are available all the time on CL, garage sales, and auctions. Do not pay over $100 as that is the max going price unless there is something special like 100' of cable. Never pay extra for open container welding rod, tell them to keep it or throw it in for 0. Then practice, practice and practice some more. Take a course at your local tech school or community college. I will pay you dividends over sending it out all the time plus controlling your down time. The there is "Soul Satisfaction". You will soon be moving up to better. Do not overlook O/A welding either.

I buy, sell, trade this stuff from time to time. I have paid as little as $30 at garage sales and $50 at auctions then sell on CL for $100. On these buzz boxes; in genera, one brand is a good as another except, for part availability. Most of the off brand are China clones of major brands and or produced for corporations like Sears under there name by a name brand. ESAB, formerly Victor, has bought out a lot of other brands and still part support them. Lincoln and Miller produce several different brands. Some times I have to make minor repairs or cleaning/painting. Beyond that they are either parts or scrap. Not many original brands, that we all know, are left. HF is really into the market. Their stuff is clones of major brands for the most part. Some even made by the same Chinese factory. There O/A torches are clones of Victor, all three the 300, 100, and J series. I have all of them and never had one not work properly. I can sell a an O/A package with mixed HF and Victor clone pieces and really provide a bargain. Just sold a Victor 300 set with filled cylinders and a cart for $500 which is $750 less than buying all new Victor Journeyman set w/ cylinders and cart.

Ron
 
   / Cracking rear long length weld #6  
Do not learn to weld on something that needs to be correct. Take it off, put it in a truck and head to a welding shop and take advantage of the time there to discuss why it fractured in the first place. Making those connections with a local welding shop can pay dividends in the future on other projects.

Good advice - contrary to whats learned at duct tape and channel locks repair school.
 
   / Cracking rear long length weld #7  
Everyone has opinions. Here are some of mine. Yes, it would not be a good idea to "learn how to weld" on such an important piece as your bucket. You learn how to weld on scrap, graduating to things that aren't all that important, and once you have some skill then tackle important projects like your bucket. You saw the link I posted elsewhere of my bucket repair. But I had been welding on and off for about 30 years previous. No don't get me wrong I am NOT a weldor. Just learned to repair and fab up some things. I too started with an AC "buzzbox" a Lincoln AC225. I bought it new however. It served me well for many years but I traded it off when I got my DC inverter welder.

In my opinion it makes much cleaner welds and allows use of 7018 rod. Sure there is a 7018 AC rod too which you can use with a buzzbox, but I never tried any when I had it. I always just used 6011 for heavy repairs and 6013 for light materials. Another advantage of the DC inverter welder is light weight, small size and portability. It is 220 volt only in my case, although they make them that will run on 110/220 volts.

As for the weld on the bucket, you will need some 1/8 inch 7018 at 125 amps. You will need a 220 volt source voltage to make this weld. You might get away with smaller rod and multipass, but that would be a compromise.

So will an AC buzzbox "git 'er done?" Yes it will, but you will really appreciate a modern DC inverter welder with much less spatter, better rod selection, light weight transportability and easy storage. And there is just a certain smoothness to DC welding that you just don't get with an AC welder. Of course price may be a consideration, and AC buzzboxes are a dime a dozen. They are simple and they are what everyone get's when they want to learn to stick weld. However, so many people give up in failure learning to stick weld. So they sell them for cheap. That is why the market is flooded with them.

I never said learning to stick weld was extremely easy. It is not. But it is rewarding. It is simple, very cost effective, and very easy to change setup with different rods and heat settings. It is also adaptable and works in all weather.
 
   / Cracking rear long length weld #9  
A picture of the crack would be helpful. 80-90% of the time I'm "welding" is spent on joint preparation and after weld peening, slag/spatter removal, then finish grinding and blending in prep for painting. Getting a good, strong weld takes practice. Spend a lot of time prepping and welding scrap pieces before you attempt to weld anything of value. Removing a bad weld, then prepping to reweld takes much more time than just spending the time to get it well prepped from the start.


Absolutely. Joint prep is what it is all about. Actual arc time for welding up a crack would be very short.

This bucket repair took quite some time to prepare the joint, but a very short time to weld it.

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/welding/249487-oh-no-my-bucket-broken.html?highlight=bucket
 
   / Cracking rear long length weld #10  
Do not learn to weld on something that needs to be correct. Take it off, put it in a truck and head to a welding shop and take advantage of the time there to discuss why it fractured in the first place. Making those connections with a local welding shop can pay dividends in the future on other projects.

Absolutely ! Learning to weld and investing in some equipment is a good move for many tractor owners, but Repete puts it exactly right -- do not 'learn' on this !!
 

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