That PDF drawing was supposed to be rotated clockwise 90 deg. so the cylinder was horizontal. What was giving me problems, was, as the rod end travels the arc it's raising vertically as its traveling horizontally, so, is the distance the rod end travels the same distance as the arc length? I'm guessing it's almost the same distance. See that would give me what stroke length I would need for a given radius to achieve the 90 degree rotation. I was going crazy tryin' to get wayy to precise for a piece of farming machinery. But, a coworker ask me how did I come up with the correct stroke for the cylinder and I couldn't show my work, mathematically. bjr