damage from stopped flow?

   / damage from stopped flow? #1  

emanaresi

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Kubota L4610
My Kubota l4610 with bradco backhoe has been at my brothers house for a couple weeks because we trenched in some new lines to his garage. Today he decided to do some grading and took off the backhoe attachment. He didnt know that you have to change the hose for the pto at the front end loader valve when you remove the backhoe. I believe I have heard that if you stop flow in open center hydraulics it can cause major problems. Is this true? How quickly will the problems emerge and what parts of the system will be damaged? I am more than a little irritated and worried that he could have damaged my tractor. But he's my brother, what can you do....

Please help me to understand what kind of damage may have occurred and how to check for it.
 
   / damage from stopped flow? #2  
The relief valve on the FEL or BH would have gone into relief, and it would screech until the pressure was relieved by connecting the hose to complete the flow path.

As far as damage, you may have caused some damage such as the pump, hose, fittings, cracked valve, etc.

If you have no visible leaks, and the hyd seem to be working fine, then you may have no damage.

You could use a hyd gage and check the relief pressure.
 
   / damage from stopped flow? #3  
You did not say how much grading your bro got done.

If your hoe is powered thru the power beyond output from your FEL valve, then all
your implement pump flow went thru your system relief valve. That won't hurt
anything if you don't run it too long.

You WILL experience the noise of the RV passing full flow, and the tractor's hydraulics
will be sluggish and weak. If running this way for more than a minute or two, your
hyd fluid will get really HOT. Your engine will also labor to run the hydraulic pump
and the drive wheels when you try to drive. If you are used to operating the tractor,
you will notice something is wrong.
 
   / damage from stopped flow?
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#4  
Ok, I think everything is ok then. Unfortunately, I can't go check it now but he didn't run it long. I will get him to check it over good and make sure there aren't any hydraulic leaks.
 
   / damage from stopped flow? #5  
If you dead head the oil, you can blow the pump apart because there's nothing to stop it from building pressure. You would know that real easy and it can happen in a matter of seconds. There'd be oil all over. My Cat with quick attach hoe has warning labels on both the hoe and the machine. If the oil goes through the loader valve first, then most likely the relief valve would save catastrophic failure if it was noticed quickly and the machine shut off. That being said, relief valves can sometimes stick. I wouldn't let my brother borrow a screw driver if he did something like that to your tractor. Then I'd give him a shot upside the head and if there was a lot of damage, congratulate him on his new tractor purchase. Amazingly the same price as your new tractor. Some people just shouldn't run equipment. I'd tell your brother to leave it parked and you'll check it over before you take it home.

I know someone(never had a tractor) who bought a new Kubota and complained the shuttle would grind. I told him to talk to the dealer but first read the manual and see what it says. I saw him about a month later and asked if it still grinds. No, he just pushes the clutch every time he changes direction. I asked if he read the manual, no! Talk to the dealer, no. I don't know how a Kubota shuttle works but you can't fix stupid. For sure the manual and the dealer would know the proper way to use it. My best hypothesis is he didn't want to feel stupid asking, figuring what can be so complicated about driving a tractor. This about a 50 HP tractor with a loader and I think a cab so it's a pretty serious chunk of money to guess how it works. He talked to the dealer about it being light in the back when picking up round bales because the dealer told him it would lift them but not a word about the shuttle. Sometimes you just have to shake your head and think WOW, how can people be so dumb. This isn't a toy and you can get seriously injured or killed if you don't what you're doing.
 
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   / damage from stopped flow?
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Believe me, I am not happy, but I think its ok. Like said abovem there is a relief valve, so hopefully all is ok. The backhoe was attached to the power beyond port on the loader valve and you are supposed to swap it for the pto line when you remove the backhoe. I did tell him this when I told him about how the backhoe CAN be removed. I did not think he would remove it. I think things are ok, but yes, he will not be playing with it unsupervised anymore.
 
   / damage from stopped flow?
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#7  
Woohoo!! he dodged a bullet this time. Turns out he connected the in and out lines for the backhoe together so the fluid was getting to the tank.
 
   / damage from stopped flow? #8  
I have a similar setup and yes, you are correct, the backhoe runs off the power beyond and needs to be manually switched between the 3 point and the backhoe. But the FEL relief as everyone is saying would protect the flow. There should not have been any deadheading. He should have caught a clue the way it would be acting and with the noise of the relief.
 
   / damage from stopped flow?
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Yeah, but since he hooked the backhoe in and out hoses together, the fluid just went from the power beyond port right to the tank, so it didn't even need to bypass. Like I said, he got lucky.
 
   / damage from stopped flow? #10  
How did he use the grader blade with out the 3pt?
 

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