Dead PT-425

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SnowRidge

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Power Trac PT-425 / Branson 3520
Our PT-425 did the unforgivable--it died. Well, actually it half died. The left cylinder bent the exhaust pushrod, which caused quite a bit of clatter. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

A compression test revealed zero, nada, zip compression in the left cylinder, so something besides the pushrod seems to have gone south. The engine is out and it goes to the shop tomorrow.

I've attached a pic of the pushrod and its lifter.

I'll keep everyone posted.

SnowRidge
 

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Wow! That's really disappointing. I know you purchased yours just before me last year, so I know you're within the warrantee period. Dare I ask what was going on at the time of failure? That seems like a heat-related failure, or would you attribute it to something else?

Sincerely,

Rob /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Sorry to hear this news. Keep us posted on what the cause was and repair.
PJ
 
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Sorry to hear of your engine troubles. Please keep us posted. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Dare I ask what was going on at the time of failure? That seems like a heat-related failure, or would you attribute it to something else? )</font>

I was mowing one of our tree plantations without problems. I stopped to take care of something. When I restarted the engine a minute or two later, I had almost no power, so the failure seems to have occurred at startup.

Once I took off my hearing protector, it became obvious that something was clattering in the right cylinder (I said left side in my post last night--that was a brain-lock on my part), so I pulled the valve cover and found the bent pushrod. It was no longer under the rocker arm and had been jumping around. The rocker arm stud was loose, and I removed it with just my fingers.

From the discoloration, I suspect it is a heat related failure. I immediately checked the engine shroud for obstructions, but there weren't any. There may have been oil starvation to that cylinder. I'll have to wait and see what the engine shop says before I know for sure.

I can't see any obvious damage beyond the bent pushrod, but that cylinder has no compression whatsoever, so something serious seems to be going on. The owner of the Kohler repair shop that will look into it said it sounded like a valve guide problem, but he hadn't seen the engine at that point, so time will tell.

I did a lot of Googling after this happened and found that the Kohler 25 has had a history of problems. Searching through some of the postings on the sites frequented by the lawn care pros was eye opening. Early on, this engine seems to have had numerous issues, including blown head gaskets, lifter failures, bent pushrods, ignition modules blowing, etc., with most occurring within the first 200 hours. Mine had 110 hours when it went.

Supposedly, all these problems have been taken care of in the current production models. I certainly hope that is the case, and that this is an isolated problem.

We will see.

SnowRidge
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sorry to hear this news. Keep us posted on what the cause was and repair. )</font>

Thanks, I will do that.

SnowRidge
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sorry to hear of your engine troubles. Please keep us posted. )</font>

You can be sure I will--especially since you are the one that "spent our money" to buy the PT. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I will probably also do a post on the issues of trying to get warranty service on a PT engine. It, er, um, turns out to be somewhat complicated, but I will wait until this saga is over before posting.

I am also thinking about doing a post on how to pull the engine from the PT-425 if anyone is interested. Hint: It isn't as straightfoward as it might seem.

Pic attached.

SnowRidge
 

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am also thinking about doing a post on how to pull the engine from the PT-425 if anyone is interested. Hint: It isn't as straightfoward as it might seem.
)</font>

Ain't it the truth? If you get one tractor you need another one to fix the first one or take its place when needed. If you get one car to work on you need a second when you're fixing the first.

Or you could be like Bob and just buy six of each! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Sorry about your engine. I too will be curious to see how the waranty and repair process go for you. Not to change the post too much, but I notice in your pic that you also have a CUT. I have heard from MossRoad and Bob_Skurka their comparisons of CUT vs PT, but I don't remember one from you. What is your opinion, CUT vs PT???
Maybe I should ask a different question, "When your PT was alive /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, how much time did you spend on the PT vs the CUT?"

Again, sorry for you engine trouble.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I did a lot of Googling after this happened and found that the Kohler 25 has had a history of problems. Searching through some of the postings on the sites frequented by the lawn care pros was eye opening. Early on, this engine seems to have had numerous issues, including blown head gaskets, lifter failures, bent pushrods, ignition modules blowing, etc., with most occurring within the first 200 hours. Mine had 110 hours when it went. )</font>

Snowridge -

Can you share some of the better sites you found? I'd love to read up on it as well. BTW, what kind of oil were you using (just curious)?

Sincerely,

Rob /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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