Dealer charge for loading tires

[sportscarclinic]

Formaldehyde? Hardly. Methanol is a type of alcohol mostly used as racing fuel. You can buy it off Amazon or most auto parts stores in 5-gallon cans. It's highly flammable and burns with a blue flame that is mostly invisible. You can burn to death without seeing any flames.

You're correct, even though a methanol/water antifreeze solution is often referred to as "methanol", the actual methanol component of the solution is wood alcohol.

The OP probably just misspelled the word as "methanal", which is formaldehyde.

 

[sportscarclinic]

calcium, beat, methanol, water, washer fluid.

they all weigh different amounts per gallon which is why calcium is king at 11 3 lbs a gallon over water water at 8.3 lbs a gallon and it's good to negative 58 before it freezes.

so which is better really comes down to how much weight do you need and who will maintain it. if you have a cut machine with tires that might hold 10 gallons not sure you can get enough fluid to even make a differance... simple 3 point concrete block or backhoe might be easier but if your a farmer with large ag tire pushing 100 gallons a side it changes all of the dynamics of the machine.


2k I would ask to clarify what that is for I can't imagine that is for tire ballast only.

Calcium is also great for rotting holes in your rims, as me how I know.

 

[rScotty]

I just got 2 rear tires filled with methanol 17 5x 24s for $286.90

Methanol is very corrosive

I doubt if they used methanol. Might have thought they did
Methanol is just too poisonous.
Even the vapors are poisonous.
It's a nerve poison as well as tissure toxin ranging from liver damage to blindness.
Even small doses are a hazard.
Plus it is a fire hazard. The only advantage is cheap.
A tractor tire full of methanol is an unbelievable danger.
So I imagine it is something else and they got the name wrong.

 

[sportscarclinic]

They use a methanol and water solution, aka, antifreeze. Pure methanol is poisonous, yes. But it's nowhere near as poisonous as you evidently believe. Your windshield washer fluid is a water/alcohol solution, and methanol is the alcohol.

 

[jyoutz]

Rimguard is beet juice and non corrosive

Correct. I didn’t word that very well. I meant a non corrosive alternative to calcium. And it is a less messy alternative to rimgard.

 

[duke7595]

The price of $2000.00 is highway robbery. Do not allow them to load the tires, if you purchase the machine. If it has a backhoe, there is NO need for loaded tires, the backhoe is sufficient weight for traction. If you decide to load the tires I suggest 'beet juice' it is non corrosive and environmentally friendly.

 

[NotSoMeanJoeGreene]

I have Rimguard in my DK4210, Still managed to lift the rear trying to move a heavy object with the forks.. but has not threatened to tip yet... My friend has a Kioti CK2700 series and nigh rolled it moving a large log even with the rimguard ballast.. However.. if you're working in Soggy territory the ballast in the tires that cannot be removed just makes you sink faster and harder to pull out.

 

[paulsharvey]

Ok, back to the tire charge; my guess is it could very well be your optional tire type, plus filling. Don't know about Kubota; but many other small tractors come in a crate; minus tires-wheels; rops; loader; to make shipping cheaper. They go to Georgia-South Carolina-FLa, wherever to get that stuff bolted on, and then claim assembled in USA. If Kubota dealers are doing that final 'assembly' that's probably about $1200-$1500 of that charge. I think around here Rimguard in a pair of 12.4-24 is running around $600.

 

[AndyMA]

Different parts of country probably vary.

Local Kubota dealer in East Tennessee adds methanol rear ballast to any tractor with a loader.

They added ballast to my used B26 rears for $36. In hill county ballast improves balance and traction.

I wouud not use metanol.

Methanol
Methanol is highly flammable and if you decide to use this product it must be mixed with water to make it so you do not blow yourself up while mixing it, installing it, or driving your tractor with it in there. Depending on strength of mixture, methanol and water is good to around -15F temperatures. We are not recommending the use of methanol and water because of the danger – but it is an option available for tire ballasting.

• Advantages
  
  
• easily obtained in large quantities
• adequate freeze resistance
• Disadvantages
  
  
• extremely flammable
• mixing required with water
• hazardous to the environment, animals and people – care must be taken regarding its disposal

 

[dcarman]

I have Rim Guard and when you said " My dealer used a product named Bioballast to fill my tires. It a no corrosive alternative to calcium or Rimgard. " I had to go to the internet and see what I did. Below is a advertisement for Rim Guard.

WHAT MAKES BEET JUICE BETTER?​

	Non-Toxic	Non-Corrosive	Heavy (10.7lbs/gal)	-35°F Freeze Point	Characteristics
Rim Guard					Non-toxic. Non-corrosive. Heavy and weighted at traction point. No tubes or mixing required. Natural product. Environment and livestock friendly.
Calcium Chloride					Toxic. Highly corrosive. Weight varies upon person mixing it. Requires tubes. Not safe for the environment or livestock.
Methanol					Toxic, corrosive and highly flammable. Can degrade tires. Weighs 35-40% less than Beet Juice Tire Ballast. Should be mixed with water.
Windowshield Washer Fluid					Toxic to livestock. Not safe in groundwater. Corrosive. Weighs 25% less than Beet Juice Tire Ballast. Higher freeze point. Tubes needed for safety.
Water					Non-toxic. Potential for corrosion and rust. Lighter. Freezes even in mild winter weather. Inconsistent quality and highly variable.
Exterior Weights					Changes equipment configurations and center of gravity. Takes up space on axle and frame. Most expensive per pound.

Isn't that amazing! Check the weight of calcium chloride and it comes up 11.86 lb/gal. It usually goes in an innertube. Not a problem unless you have a flat. Weight is always your friend for more traction. Dealers will be dealers. They have to make a profit too.
Last time I had a flat fixed it was $285.

 

[MutantGenepool]

while attending a recent promo event at a large Kubota dealer in the area, i got a quote on a B2601 with a loader and backhoe. nothing is cheap these days but i have to say it came out to significantly less than i was expecting, with the dealer offering nearly $6k off msrp and with quite favorable financing terms.

one thing stuck out though as i was reviewing the quote later - there was a $2000 charge for "Set up load tires." i had a very good impression of the dealership, and price, before i saw that listed. but in the past, when i've seen car dealerships try to throw in that kind of charge for nitrogen in tires, i've just walked out of the place. but i haven't purchased a tractor before. am i missing something? i understand why you would want liquid in tractor tires (as opposed to nitrogen!), but at a price of $2000 i'm thinking i must look like an idiot.

Too easy to do yourself.
Take out the valve inner and clamp a garden hose to the valve. Rotate the valve to the 10 o'clock position first.

 

[MRTOES]

May I suggest a lazy man's tractor weights. Purchase the cheapest old slip pan you can find since it is a lot shorter than having a bush hog sticking out back of your tractor. Fill it with old tractor weights. If you have a quick hitch you can just back up to it when needed and take off.

 

[Williy]

For weights for your tractor check with Mr Choo Choo and get some
small pieces of 6 inch ribbin rail weld them together and add hooks
Some times Mr Choo Choo will just give the small pieces free

willy

 

[ljjhouser]

I believe you mean methanol, which is just water with alcohol added as antifreeze. "Methanal" is more commonly known as formaldehyde, or embalming fluid.

Correct - thank you. I knew it was alcohol and water. I hated chemistry class and I guess it shows.

 

[Flad]

One way to get even with these hidden costs on a new tractor, truck, or car is to offer to pay cash, then drop the price by the same extra hiden amount with a little more for the unplesantness of their little profit grabbing scams, Never use a dealers finance without knowing the total cost, as these extras can add years and substantial aditional costs to the deal. and don't forget the dealer is also getting a commission from the finance company the bigger the loan the bigger his commission.
Borrow the cash from a bank, Cash speeks louder and gets their attention and lots of free stuf they would normally charge you for, things that you would pay extra interest on.

 

[steve tym]

Has the OP posted what exactly this fee was for?

 

[Hay Dude]

One way to get even with these hidden costs on a new tractor, truck, or car is to offer to pay cash, then drop the price by the same extra hiden amount with a little more for the unplesantness of their little profit grabbing scams, Never use a dealers finance without knowing the total cost, as these extras can add years and substantial aditional costs to the deal. and don't forget the dealer is also getting a commission from the finance company the bigger the loan the bigger his commission.
Borrow the cash from a bank, Cash speeks louder and gets their attention and lots of free stuf they would normally charge you for, things that you would pay extra interest on.

What you say is true and I agree with most of it, but borrowing money from a bank also costs money in interest payments. Those interest payments are real high right now. Also, from a business perspective, banks will usually require a personal loan guarantee.
A dealer will usually finance business equipment without a personal loan guarantee. This is critical for keeping you “clean” of loans that work against me if you want to buy real estate.

 

[Torvy]

Cash may or may not be the 'ace' you think it is. Since the dealerships make more money on financing, they often don't want you to pay cash. Lots of variables involved, but don't assume because you pay cash you will get a better deal.

 

[Flad]

Cash has never failed in getting a far better deal, As for bank's I have in the past used my redraw and capital gains on my property to access cash at a lower interest rate than normally avalable to the average borrower on machienary,trucks, cars and properties,
You don't need a bag of cash, a trip to the bank with the seller, or arange the transfer of funds and owner ship documents through your accountant
I have also kept my property loans running for years at just on 20k for the unforsean need for access to quick capital where the interest rate dose not change even at re drawing up to 90% of the property value, the monthly repayments increase but the interest stays the same.
It's Served me well, I was able to retire early debt free with all my assets, you need to pay an accountant , they know the tax and banking regulations, using cash in any amount is still legal so long as you keep the paper work, what the seller dose is none of your concern, don't use a finance mannager they often have affiliations with dubious finance companies, investment companies or the stock market, establish a good relationship with your bank and invest in your own property or interet's.
Use your assets to work for you.
In God we trust, Every one else CASH.

 

[sportscarclinic]

The fee for services of this type on a new tractor are high because buyers usually just agree to them without questions asked. Since the money is coming paid by a financing agreement, not hard cash out of their wallet, most just want to get it done before someone changes their mind and are ready to swallow the salesman's pitch that "these are the pre-delivery services we recommend doing on all new tractors."

The new car industry was notorious, until laws were passed, for "persuading" buyers to add expensive options packages to new vehicles in order to ensure financing. Although it's hard to imagine how ballasted tires could affect the collateral value of a tractor, the psychology of the sales game is the same.