Demise of the Robin...lots of smoke

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gotago

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PT425
Today, just shy of 150 hrs, my 425 began smoking profusely. Oil was spraying all over the compartment and smoking upon contact with the exhaust, hot engine etc...My first thought was a blown hydraulic line, but a closer inspection revealed it is spraying from a blown gasket somewhere on the engine. A nearly dry dip stick confirmed this. Hopefully no damage internally, I shut it down right away. Anyway, off to the authorized robin dealer in Lindley NY for warranty repair tomorrow. I still have 9 months left on the robin warranty. I'll keep the forum posted.


Jimbo
 
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Sorry to hear that. I only got to 110 hours on my Kohler powered PT-425 before it swallowed a valve, so I know the feeling.

Good luck with it.
 
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WTF is it with these small engines? I see that no one has these issues in the Cub Cadet forums...
 
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WTF is it with these small engines? I see that no one has these issues in the Cub Cadet forums...

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. All these small air cooled gas engines are built to CARB standards, even those sold in non-CARB states. They simply run too hot, especially if there is any amount of obstruction to the air cooling.

Power Tracs by their nature are sometimes operated in dirty environments, and by their design make it difficult to keep the engine cooling fins and blower housing clean. You simply can't get to the engine very well to blow out all the passages.

The engine manufacturers don't help. Kohler, for example, says to remove the blower shroud at the 100 hour service interval and thoroughly clean the engine. That would require removing the engine in my PT-425. The manufacturers should make easy cleaning of the engine a design priority, but they don't.

Lastly, there is the non-instrumentation of these engines. In my opinion, they need cylinder head temperature gauges. If the engine manufacturers don't offer them, Power Trac really should do so. If nothing else, they could make them optional. That way if something clogs a passage where it can't be seen, the owner could be warned about it by the abnormally high head temperature and take action before the machine is knocked out of service and requires expensive repairs.
 
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Seen any good aftermarket temperature measuring devices? The closest I have seen come from Omega engineering and are $$$$. (Thermocouple attached to a 1/4-20 washer, or the equivalent)

All the best,

Peter

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. All these small air cooled gas engines are built to CARB standards, even those sold in non-CARB states. They simply run too hot, especially if there is any amount of obstruction to the air cooling.

Power Tracs by their nature are sometimes operated in dirty environments, and by their design make it difficult to keep the engine cooling fins and blower housing clean. You simply can't get to the engine very well to blow out all the passages.

The engine manufacturers don't help. Kohler, for example, says to remove the blower shroud at the 100 hour service interval and thoroughly clean the engine. That would require removing the engine in my PT-425. The manufacturers should make easy cleaning of the engine a design priority, but they don't.

Lastly, there is the non-instrumentation of these engines. In my opinion, they need cylinder head temperature gauges. If the engine manufacturers don't offer them, Power Trac really should do so. If nothing else, they could make them optional. That way if something clogs a passage where it can't be seen, the owner could be warned about it by the abnormally high head temperature and take action before the machine is knocked out of service and requires expensive repairs.
 
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Spoke with Terry today, he was very helpful. Called the Subaru regional distribution center in Victor, New York to confirm where the closest warranty repair shop was. Will drop off the PT today or tomorrow, so far so good...no run around. Just trying to get all my ducks in a row for a quick, hassle free warranty repair. I want the shop to also install a low oil alarm and an oil temp guage. Must have items.



Jimbo
 
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If you are taking the whole machine in, you may have to pay to have the engine removed and reinstalled. As far as I know, most engine manufacturers only have a small time allowance for that part of the repair, if they have any allowance at all.

It takes a lot longer to pull an engine out of a PT than it does to yank one out of a lawn tractor. Also, the mechanic usually has to learn on your PT, so it's slow going.

If you are real lucky, it can be repaired in place.

Just something you might want to check on. :)
 
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Seen any good aftermarket temperature measuring devices?
Aircraft Spruce and Specialty.

Westach Dual CHT gauges $75, Single CHT gauge $42-53. Thermocouples (with washers for spark plugs) are $18 each.

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WESTACH DUAL CHT 2DC8 from Aircraft Spruce

Alternatively, there is a used CHT gauge on ebay right now for $10 off an artic cat snowmobile.

I am thinking that my hydraulic temp gauge (which I have never seen higher then 130F) might be getting replaced soon.
 
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Tim,

I think your gauge may be a little off. My gauge measures tank temp near the middle of the tank. Normal reading is 100 deg F above ambient. (eg. 50 outside/150 tank) I have tested these temps with a second thermometer. I also have installed a single probe thermo couple CHT on my Kohler engine. These temps range from 300 to 375. I did this to gather data for my future dual exhaust project. The 375 reading when its hot outside, I think, is to high considering the error in a thermo couple instrument which would put the actual temp near or above 400. IMHO these high tmps on my machine are caused by a poorly designed high back pressure PT designed muffler.

sg
 
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Tim,

IMHO these high tmps on my machine are caused by a poorly designed high back pressure PT designed muffler.

sg

For those exact reasons I converted over to a custom dual exhaust system :D
 
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