Difference B/w the B3030HSDCC and B3000HSDCC?

[My Hoe]

Hi all,

I'm confused.

I would like to know the difference(s), if any, between the last of the B3030HSDCC's "Premier Plus B Series" and the B3000HSDCC "Premier Plus B Series."

I've been seeking a late model, low-hour B3030HDCC. It is my understanding that the first "C" denotes the "Cold Cab" option, as opposed to a NON-"Cold Cab," cabbed B3030, which has a model number of "B3030HSDC" (i.e., just a single "C" for "Cab," as opposed to the "CC" for "Cold Cab"). The "Cold Cabs" come with the defrost wires in the rear glass, the rear wiper/washer and, if I'm not mistaken, possibly a higher-output alternator--60amp instead of the non-"Cold Cab's" 40 amp alternator.

I'm interested in ANY and ALL differences, whatsoever. Because if there are none, then I can take a look at the B3000HSDCC's, as well. :licking:

However, the 2012 Whole Goods Kubota Catalogue does not contain dimensions, like frame size, ground clearance, etc.... Or if it does, I can't find it. (The B3030HSDCC is on p.4-17, and the B3000HSDCC is on p.4-19 of the 2012 Whole Goods Catalogue).

Here is list, from the above catalog, listing these two B model's "Premier" features:

B3030HSDCC's PREMIER PLUS FEATURES:
Tilt Steering Wheel
Deluxe Cruise Control
AC / Heater
Adjustable Seat Suspension
Seat with Arm Rests
3 Pt. Lower extendible links
Ratchet right link
Enclosed operator controls
Rear Defogger with 60A Alternator
Rear Wiper


B3000HSDCC's PREMIER PLUS FEATURES:
Tilt Steering Wheel
Deluxe Cruise Control
AC / Heater
Adjustable Seat Suspension
Seat with Arm Rests
3 Pt. Lower extendible links
Ratchet right link
Enclosed operator controls
Rear Defogger with 60A Alternator
Rear Wiper


As you can see, the "Premier" features seem identical, between the two, different model numbers of tractors.

Per Whole Goods, everything else they list (like engine size, gmp, tires and wheels, etc...) are all identical, even including the "Approx. Shipping Weight" of 2,271 lbs. (Which I assume is for the Cold Cabbed tractor, without any attachments, right)?

But since Whole Goods doesn't seem to list the physical dimensions of the two models, I can't be sure that they the exact same frame size, turning radius, etc....

Yet the B3030HSDCC lists for $22,979.00, and the B3000HSDCC lists for $24,395.00, a difference of $1,416. Not a big difference but, again, it's the ONLY thing I can see, at least from the Whole Goods catalog, that IS different, other than their model numbers.

So, are they the exact same tractor, including?

Ground Clearance?

Height?

Length?

Width?

Turning radius?

And everything else? For example, does the B3000 have any more significant engine vibration than the B3030's, or was that alleged characteristic just something that some folks found in the B3200, if I recall correctly?

And IF they are the exact same tractor, why do they have different model numbers?

Of course Kubota, for reasons best known to themselves, pull down their very detailed, comprehensive spec. sheets, seemingly without warning, when new models come out, never to be seen again (unless one were to download them as .pdf's, which I failed to do, back then). Which makes no sense to me, as they could be an incredible resource for owners, and used tractor buyers.

And we all know that www.tractordata.com's info is often less than complete, and not organized identically, sometimes, between comparable models, making it hard to compare two similar tractors.

Does anyone have links to Kubota's original .pdf specs, for these two machines, so I can compare them, side-by-side?
I would be willing to pay for those .pdf's, at this point, just to see the REAL, FACTORY SPECS, for myself.

Thank you so much.

My Hoe

 

[Baby Grand]

Does this help?

http://www.liveupdater.com/norwood/DocumentLibrary/KB)B3000HSDCCbrochure.pdf

http://www.fiserkubota.com/pdf/b2630.pdf

 

[My Hoe]

Does this help?

http://www.liveupdater.com/norwood/DocumentLibrary/KB)B3000HSDCCbrochure.pdf

http://www.fiserkubota.com/pdf/b2630.pdf

Baby Grand,

Yes--they helped a lot! Thank you for sending them! :thumbsup:

(And I apologize for the delay in responding--I've been busier than I thought possible).

In fact, I only saw two differences between the B3030 and the B3000:


#1. That the B3030 lists as having "Hydrostatic Steering," while the B3000 is listed as having "Hydraulic Power Steering."

But since the gpm of their respective, total hydraulic pump output is equal (measured in l/min., instead of gmp, at 34.5 l/min) I doubt there is any difference in the two tractors.

Can anyone confirm/disprove that the B3030 and the B3000 both actually do have "hydrostatic steering," as I suspect?

And while we're at it, let me confess that I don't know what the difference is, but I've read that hydrostatic steering is preferred over hydraulic steering.


2. The spec sheets show the overall width of the B3000 as 1/8" narrower (at 53.7) than the B3030, at 53.8" (which I suspect is just a "rounding error," in the conversion from mm to inches). Or, the result of different types of tires, perhaps?


And again (to all):
Does anyone know why these two seemingly-identical tractors have different model numbers? (I'm just trying widen the model range that would work for me).

Thanks,

My Hoe

 

[Baby Grand]

No apologies allowed - I know all about busy. Had a week of it, ending a few days ago. Aside from my day job blowing up, at home 3 appliances went down in the past 3 months. So I was busy diagnosing, buying parts and rebuilding. Replaced the 1993 Hotpoint dryer bearings & motor for about $120 and expect to see another 20 years of service, based on the good condition observed during teardown & rebuild. In the case of the GE washing machine: heavy rust throughout & a leaking transmission. It received last rights before some nice hardware was stripped out (I'm bad that way) and then we shopped for a replacement. Found an American made Speed Queen top loader that's built like a tank, with lots of stainless - and it still has an agitator in the design. The refrigerator was the worst, though. The Plant Manager was really not happy about another pile of spoiled food for the fourth time in 3 years. I will never buy another Samsung product for as long as I live and breathe, based on their complete denial that they have a faulty design and their unwillingness to make good on their warranty. May Samsung's officers be cast, alive, into a lake of fire burning with brimstone, for all eternity.

Now back to tractors - that question about Hydrostatic Steering vs Hydraulic Power Steering got me to wondering. I really had no idea what the two terms meant. So off to the inter-noodle and I think I have a clue, now. If I understand correctly, Hydraulic Power Steering uses a hydraulic piston or motor to assist a mechanical steering linkage. Hydrostatic Steering does all the work through the hydraulic system and eliminates the mechanical linkage between the steering wheel and the ground wheels that do the steering.

So are you considering buying one of those models? They both look really nice.
Edit: Never mind - just saw your other post about the eBay sale.

 

[My Hoe]

No apologies allowed - I know all about busy. Had a week of it, ending a few days ago. Aside from my day job blowing up, at home 3 appliances went down in the past 3 months. So I was busy diagnosing, buying parts and rebuilding. *snip*

Now back to tractors - that question about Hydrostatic Steering vs Hydraulic Power Steering got me to wondering. I really had no idea what the two terms meant. So off to the inter-noodle and I think I have a clue, now. If I understand correctly, Hydraulic Power Steering uses a hydraulic piston or motor to assist a mechanical steering linkage. Hydrostatic Steering does all the work through the hydraulic system and eliminates the mechanical linkage between the steering wheel and the ground wheels that do the steering.
*snip*

Baby Grand,

Thank you for this: "No apologies allowed - I know all about busy." Your compassion is much appreciated.

Wow...you have been busy! I, too, like to preserve/repair/reuse applicances, cars, etc... (when I'm not rehabbing injuries, that is--but then, LIFE is something that wears on us all, right?). But you have me beat, in the degree to which you pursue it--for which you have my admiration.

I appreciate your wading into the "hydrostatic steering vs. hydraulic steering" thing, but it seems ood to me that, given the (to me) overwhelming similarities between the B3030 and the B3000, and the fact that the B3030 DOES come with "hydrostatic steering," that the B3000 would use a different system.

Can anyone else kindly weigh in on:

a) the "hydrostatic steering" on the B3030 vs. the (alleged) "hydraulic steering" on the B3000? (Because I'm suspecting that they BOTH have "hydrostatic steering," and there is just a typo responsible for the B3000's being listed as "hydrualic steering). AND

b) Does anyone know why these two seemingly-identical tractors have different model numbers? (I'm just trying widen the model range that would work for me).

Thanks again, Baby Grand. And to all else who care to share their opinions on this.

The question of whether the B3030 and the B3000 are the SAME TRACTOR, except for the dataplate, is driving me a little crazy--and there are those who would say that's just a "short trip." :laughing:

 

[number two]

When I purchased our B3030HSDC in 2007,there was also the B3030HSDCC model available for about an extra $291.The "CC" cold climate version added the 60 amp alternator vs the standard 40 amp.Also included was the heated rear window and rear wiper/washer.

Enter the B3000HSDC and B3000HSDCC versions.
The B30000HSDC came with the standard 3 point setup with turnbuckles and no extendable lift arm extensions,an economy version you might say.
The B3000HSDCC added the 60 amp alternator,rear wiper/washer,heated rear window as well as the deluxe 3 point features like extendable links and arms.
The B3000 cab models also added the horn,the back glass may be different(?)and they may possibily be Tier 3 emmisions instead of Tier 2 on the B3030 models.
Hydrostatic power is indeed the same on both tractors.
Very similar tractors indeed!

Hope this helps and my memory serves me correctly!

 

[My Hoe]

When I purchased our B3030HSDC in 2007,there was also the B3030HSDCC model available for about an extra $291.The "CC" cold climate version added the 60 amp alternator vs the standard 40 amp.Also included was the heated rear window and rear wiper/washer.

Enter the B3000HSDC and B3000HSDCC versions.
The B30000HSDC came with the standard 3 point setup with turnbuckles and no extendable lift arm extensions,an economy version you might say.
The B3000HSDCC added the 60 amp alternator,rear wiper/washer,heated rear window as well as the deluxe 3 point features like extendable links and arms.
The B3000 cab models also added the horn,the back glass may be different(?)and they may possibily be Tier 3 emmisions instead of Tier 2 on the B3030 models.
Hydrostatic power is indeed the same on both tractors.
Very similar tractors indeed!

Hope this helps and my memory serves me correctly!

number two,

This does help--tremendously, actually!

I knew about the significance of the second "C" in the "CC" designation for the B3030HSDCC (or "Cold Cab" series), but was not sure that that definitely applied to the B3000-series, as well. So it's reassuring to learn of that nomenclature-consistency, and that others also feel that these are, as you put it:

"Very similar tractors indeed!"

I didn't know about the horn part, though. So, perhaps a B3030HSDC (and/or CC) owner could "chime in" (pun intended) re: whether the B3030C's ever had a horn. If they did/do, I was not aware of it--but you're correct--I have seen a horn on a B3000, myself.

The rear glass is something I'd never thought to check...but now that you mention it, I remember that I've read that, for a time, the B3030C's (and B3030CC's) could not accept a Kubota backhoe--due to lack of rear cab clearance. So it would make sense that the glass, or other cab-features, were modified, to allow the present fitment of the BH77 to the B3000. In fact, I'd read that the (curved boom) Woods BH80-X "Groundbreaker" backhoe was a popular substitute, and I believe at least one member on TBN has just that setup on a B3030C (or CC).

It would be interesting to know if what seems to be the largely "badge engineering" project, of turning the B3030 into the B3000, possibly coincided with the introduction of the BH77 (replacing the BH75). Because, as you say, both the B3030 "CC" and the B3000 "CC" have the heated rear window, wiper and washer-kit.

If it were not for a real, physical difference like the rear glass, as you suggest, it was beginning to look to me like they simply "jacked up the data tag on a B3030, rolled it away," and replaced it with the B3000 data tag.

So I'll bet you're onto something, re: the rear glass being different.

Otherwise, why change model designations at all, unless it was strictly for marketing purposes (i.e., to have a "new" model to sell)?

Thanks for the information and your thoughtful analysis.

 

[beckmurph]

Here is a link that you can compare two Kubota's side by side:
Options for Kubota 2012 B3200HSD Tractors
The B3030 has an "offset mid-pto for easier hookup". That is one difference.:cool2:

 

[number two]

Once again,I was mistaken!
I went to the Kubota Tractor website and checked out the illustrated parts list to confirm a few things.
The back glass is indeed the same on all the models,which the way,has no effect on which backhoe will fit.
The B3000HSDC has fixed side windows as opposed to the tilt-out side windows on the B3000HSDCC and the B3030 cab models.
Once again,the "economy" thing on the B3000HSDC.
I checked out the video on the sweet B3000 tractor combo-nice unit!
Hey,you know you want one-any of these units will please!
Good Luck!