Difference between CK35 & DK35 Kioti tractors

[Allan_Cen_Ont]

Hello guys I am sorta new joined in 04 but haven't posted much . I am wondering what the differences are between these tractors if there is any diference between them. I am considering buying a CK35 or DK35 with hydro tranny,4wd ,R4 industrial tires with a loader and quick tach backhoe and folding rollbar. I am also wondering which is better to get a 3pth or sub frame quicktach backhoe for the tractor I will probably be using some 3pth attachments with this tractor so which would be quicker to take off . Thanks for any help

PS This tractor will be used around the farm and using a rotary mower to cut some long grass for a couple of neighbours so that is why I don't need a cab

 

[BJN644]

The DK is a little bigger, 38 horsepower I think, few extra goodies on it,very nice tractor. No complaints on the CK machine here, I think today might be the last day for the free front end loader deal on the CK35 making it the best deal going, but who knows what kind of deal August will bring.

I think the best advise is to always use a subframe mounted backhoe to prevent tractor damage. I know Kioti specifies this in their owners manual.

 

[Sandtiger]

Hi,

I bought a DK35SE HST a month or so back. I also seriously looked at the CK series. I know I will miss a lot, but this is why I chose the DK (in order of importance).

(1) Seating. I felt cramped in the CK series. This is due to my size, which is way above the average. My legs felt more comfortable in the DK, and the seat is quite a bit more adjustable (up/down firmness I believe).

(2) The HST pedal. I really didn't like the rocker pedal on the CK series. The DK has the two pedals side by side, which I found more "natural" for me.

(3) The quick attach front loader. Don't know if I care completely given the cost of the quick attach equipment, but I considered it a plus.

(4) The extra rear remote is nice. It allows (relatively) easy addition of hydraulic equipment (top and tilt, grapple).

(5) Generally more refined. It has buttons for 4 wheel drive, pto activation (I like this coming from a ford 8n). I don't think the CK had this but I am not positive.

I definitely think you need to seat/drive both of them. I really liked the CK series, but I just wasn't that comfortable sitting in it. Power and things like that I don't know much about, but the DK has more than enough so far for what I am using it for. Mowing, working on 2500' of road, moving rocks. Sigh wish it was more, since it is fun to use.

I hope this helps....

Sandtiger

 

[Gittyup]

The DK is a bigger frame with a few more hp. The specs are on Kioti's website. The DK also has a secondary 3 pt. lift control at the rear of the tractor. Would be quite handy for easier hookup. Both DK and CK can be had with QA loaders.

My personal preference is the lever engaged PTO of the CK rather than the electric of the DK - seems more simple, less prone to failure. Though my JD has electric and hasn't failed yet in 14+ years (knock on wood). I've read where others don't like that you can't feather the PTO on the electrics where it puts a lot of shock onto some implement drives at startup. Don't know if this is really true or just operator dependent or specific equipment related.

They really are two different classes of machines. You have to decide if you need the added heft of the DK.

Stay far away from 3pt mount backhoes and do get the QA loader.

 

[Sandtiger]

The DK is a bigger frame with a few more hp. The specs are on Kioti's website. The DK also has a secondary 3 pt. lift control at the rear of the tractor. Would be quite handy for easier hookup. Both DK and CK can be had with QA loaders.

My personal preference is the lever engaged PTO of the CK rather than the electric of the DK - seems more simple, less prone to failure. Though my JD has electric and hasn't failed yet in 14+ years (knock on wood). I've read where others don't like that you can't feather the PTO on the electrics where it puts a lot of shock onto some implement drives at startup. Don't know if this is really true or just operator dependent or specific equipment related.

About the electric PTO. I agree it is a worry since since if nothing else electrical wiring and mice don't get along (sigh).

I was told by Rick Wallace to drop the rpms before engaging the electric PTO, then ramp the rpms. I guess you can feather the PTO speed by changing the RPMS (at least at 2600 rpm the tachometer says the PTO is spinning at 540 rpm). This seems to work fine for me. However, currently the only thing I do with the PTO is mow with a 5' rotary mower.

Good point about the rear 3-point lever. It doesn't feel as fine grained as the one at the seat (it's hard to adjust by a inch verse 3 inches). I don't know if the CK has this, but the lower 3-point links(?) can be adjusted in and out a couple of inches which also makes it easier to hook up a 3-point implement.

As you can tell, I don't really understand everything about these machines

 

[Gittyup]

CK has telescopic 3pt arms, but no rear-access 3pt control lever.

 

[IslandTractor]

One general point: the CK series are great but represent an older design and more basic (i.e. mechanical) features while the DK besides being bigger is a newer design that uses electric controls and has better ergonometrics. I've owned a CK20 and now have a DK40se. They each work as advertised so the real difference from my perspective between the CK35 and DK35se would be more power and loader capacity with the DK as well as newer features like on the fly 4WD and the electrohydraulic PTO. DK has standard quick attach and one standard rear remote but you could add those to the CK for a bit under $1000 or so. Both are fine tools.

 

[vtcoyote]

hey allen

i don't know if storage is an issue for you, but for me it is one of the reasons i just can't see my self trading up to a dk 35, it would be just high enough to make backing into my garage an issue.

the ck 35 actually uses the same engine as the old dk 35's (non-se), so even though the ck35 was introduced 2 years back the engine has been in use for many years.

you said that brush cutting is going to be one of the main uses for the tractor, the ck will run a 6 footer no problem, and i don't think a dk could really handle
a 7 so your not really gaining anything there.


but seeing how you are going to be using the tractor in a farm setting, you might want to spring for the dk, it does have a couple more features and a bigger frame and if you plan on using this everyday i believe the dk might be more up to the challenge.

i found making the decision between the ck35 & dk35 was quite hard, there seems to be a pro for every con and a con for every pro.

i hope you are able to find a tractor that will meet your needs and will serve you for years to come.

-VTcoyote

 

[woodyacres]

dk 35, it would be just high enough to make backing into my garage an issue.
-VTcoyote[/QUOTE]

My Dk fits into my garage with 2 inches to spare without touching the roll bar. I was lucky because I didn't think of that until I was backing it out! Almost could have been a big OOPS!

 

[woodyacres]

like on the fly 4WD QUOTE]

Island,
By on the fly do you mean it WILL shift while moving? I have been afraid to grind everything up so I always stop before I switch in or out of 4WD.

 

[IslandTractor]

like on the fly 4WD QUOTE]

Island,
By on the fly do you mean it WILL shift while moving? I have been afraid to grind everything up so I always stop before I switch in or out of 4WD.

Yep. Real nice feature. I just hit the button when my wheels start to spin and keep on going.

 

[BJN644]

One general point: the CK series are great but represent an older design and more basic (i.e. mechanical) features while the DK besides being bigger is a newer design that uses electric controls and has better ergonometrics. I've owned a CK20 and now have a DK40se. They each work as advertised so the real difference from my perspective between the CK35 and DK35se would be more power and loader capacity with the DK as well as newer features like on the fly 4WD and the electrohydraulic PTO. DK has standard quick attach and one standard rear remote but you could add those to the CK for a bit under $1000 or so. Both are fine tools.

If you think the Kioti CK is a basic design go and look at the L series Kubota, that's what made me a believer.

 

[IslandTractor]

If you think the Kioti CK is a basic design go and look at the L series Kubota, that's what made me a believer.

Yeah, I did not mean to say the CK was in the league of the old Kioti LB or the Kubota L line. I just meant that compared to the new DK the CKs are an older more basic generation of tractor. Nothing bad about that but it is a major point of difference with the new DK. The CK is actually pretty much middle of the pack or higher in features and is certainly higher in features and performance than most 20-35hp tractors on the market today. Great bang for the buck on both the CK and the DK line compared to what you get from the other orange line or JD.

 

[Carl Bill]

So how does the Kioti CK35HST and/or DK35HST compare, price wise to the Kubota L2800HST?

I have been in the market and looking at Kubot, Montana, Mahindra, etc... and still ahve nt gotten a quote from a local Kioti dealer.

I am open to the thought of a Kioti, but need to know what it costs.

I have been sending email to area dealers and not one has replied.

JD replied ASDP, but withan astronomical price. Montana replied, but they were almost as high as the JD! Mahindra also did not reply.

My Kubota dealer (one I have already dealt with) shot me a price of $15,900 for the L2800HST with loader. So if I can beat that - or meet that with a better tractor, I am up for some dealing.

 

[IslandTractor]

So how does the Kioti CK35HST and/or DK35HST compare, price wise to the Kubota L2800HST?
......
My Kubota dealer (one I have already dealt with) shot me a price of $15,900 for the L2800HST with loader. So if I can beat that - or meet that with a better tractor, I am up for some dealing.

That is a good price on the Kubota but the L2800 is not really an apples to apples competitor for either the CK35 or DK35. THe L2800 is a solid machine but is literally the most basic tractor in the L line for Kubota and the L line has fewer features and capacities than either the CK or DK. The CK arguably competes withe Kubota's Grand L series and the DK certainly does. I'd say you need to compare feature sets and decide what is important to you to make a valid comparison once you get prices on the CK and DK.

 

[BJN644]

When I was shopping I too was looking at the L2800 & 3400, here's what made me go with Kioti over the L series Kubota.

Telescoping lift arms and adjustable sway bars on the Kioti

The ability to mount a mid PTO on the Kioti

I didn't like the FEL loader control mounted on the loader frame in front of me on the Kubota

The front rims on the Kubota didn't have valve stem protection

Better price on the Kioti ( I got the free FEL deal )

I was able to drive both and use the loader before buying and I just plain liked the feel of the kioti better and feel I got a lot more for the money. Only 23 hours on my tractor so far and I have no regrets what so ever on my decision.

 

[IslandTractor]

When I was shopping I too was looking at the L2800 & 3400, here's what made me go with Kioti over the L series Kubota.

Telescoping lift arms and adjustable sway bars on the Kioti

The ability to mount a mid PTO on the Kioti

I didn't like the FEL loader control mounted on the loader frame in front of me on the Kubota

The front rims on the Kubota didn't have valve stem protection

Better price on the Kioti ( I got the free FEL deal )

I was able to drive both and use the loader before buying and I just plain liked the feel of the kioti better and feel I got a lot more for the money. Only 23 hours on my tractor so far and I have no regrets what so ever on my decision.

I haven't looked at an L2800 for a while but as I recall they do not have a suspension seat like the CK and DK either. That is worth over $500 as a replacement part and really improves the operator's comfort. I also haven't looked recently at loader capacities but recall that at least the DK and possibly the CK had higher lift and breakout. The DK has electrohydraulic PTO and 4wd which are nice upgrades too (shift on the fly into 4wd is a very useful feature). I know the DK comes with one set of rear remotes standard too.

I am sure there are other comparison points but the bottom line is that the Kioti's are both more comparable featurewise to the Grand L series than the basic L so that should be considered when comparing prices/value.

 

[woodyacres]

Yep. Real nice feature. I just hit the button when my wheels start to spin and keep on going.

My DK35 has a warning not to do that while running. Hmmm.. I wonder how much that is an actual warning or just a CYA for future potential issues?

 

[IslandTractor]

My DK35 has a warning not to do that while running. Hmmm.. I wonder how much that is an actual warning or just a CYA for future potential issues?

I haven't had any trouble. Of course you generally are not moving very fast when doing this as typically you are doing something where you are loosing traction like pushing or pulling something at pretty low speed. No nasty noises though, switch to 4wd is smooth as silk.

 

[mark.r]

My DK35 has a warning not to do that while running. Hmmm.. I wonder how much that is an actual warning or just a CYA for future potential issues?

Is the warning in the manual? I don't recal seeing it. I'll need to check again.