dk45se vs ds4510

[STROKETHIS]

I was curious what the main diff. were on these models and also what the diff. is on the ds4510 and ds4510hs. Thanks in advance for the info.

 

[8404]

this is a good question, which one is the heavier duty tractor DK or the DS

 

[LD1]

It appears there is not a whole lot of difference. Maybe styling/ergonomics?????

But the FEL lift capacities spec the same. With the exception that they list a 72" bucket for the DK45 and a 66" for the DS4510.

The 3PH specs are also real close. Tire size is the same.

The only difference I can see is the DK45 is about 400lbs heavier. So maybe the castings/frame is built just a tad heavier????

What is the price difference on them? Have you seen them in person??

 

[tcartwri]

I thought the DS was their economy line.

 

[Dmace]

I thought the DS was their economy line.

I agree.

Some other comparison facts:
Dk45SE vs. DS4510
12 speed synchronized transmission vs. 8 speed constant mesh
38 HP Rear PTO vs. 35.1 HP
16.8 gpm hydraulics vs. 13.2 gpm
3,950 lbs vs. 3538 lbs

There are accessories like push button 4wd, standard rear remotes, extending 3pt arms, 3pt lift control near arms, etc... which make the DK45SE more of a deluxe version. The DK45SE can also be had with a factory cab that the DS cannot.

 

[bluechip]

Some More:
DK45SE vs DS4510
std rear remotes - option
extending lift arms - standard lift arms
rear lift control -
tilt steering wheel
push button 4wd - Manual 4wd
same engine, I doubt there is a real difference in PTO, both use electrohydraulic PTO engagement.
better seat
Hydro available - Hydraulic shuttle available

I'm sure there are more, I can think of one:

Higher price - Lower price

 

[BTI]

DK SE is the newest DK Chassis.
The DS is the old DK Chassis with a New DK style front axle.
Most of the other differences have been mentioned.

I like the machines, both.
But bang for the buck the DS 4110 is hard to beat in my opinion.
Of course it depends on what kind of bang you are looking for LOL
I've had customers walk right passed the DS and pay more for the DK SE.
The niceties mean that much to them.

The PTO differences are that the DS only has on and off, the DK has on off and the position where the PTO will shut off when you raise the 3pt.

All in all its just personal preference

BTI

 

[STROKETHIS]

yeah i wanted a kioti but there finaceing is so screwy. You have to pay attention real close to it. They really push you into the 6.09 apr note. And at that apr its cheaper for me to buy a kubota. If this was a cash deal koiti has the bang for the buck down. i don't have the cash and they don't have the finaceing. They wanted to stick me in a 7 year note thats just crazy. When i asked about the .99 apr on there website i was told you can get that and you have excellent credit. But to have the .99 there will be a 4% mark up on the machine and you lose the 1500 off so without the 1500 rebate the machine is 24995 plus another 4%. I walked out of there laughing pretty good. No question about it kioti is a good machine. But kubota has the legancey. And if you can get into a kubota fro cheaper then a kioti well thats a no brainer to me. Kubota has 0% for 60 months. Just couldn't see the kioti being worth that much. Even the ds model was guna be higher then the kubota. I hope ya'll understand i went back and forth for a few days on this but in the end it just makes more since to get the kubota. Kioti needs to be more up front about there finaceing and get some better rebates and promtions out there.

 

[Dmace]

If you think your going to get 0% financing on the same quoted price as a cash sale, even through Kubota, then your crazy. I tried that with every dealer I went to, Kubota, JD, New Holland, Mahindra, etc... and NO ONE would finance for the same price as quoted on a cash sale. They all added about $1000-$2000 to the price for a financed deal. I ended up buying the Kioti cash instead of financing a more expensive machine and glad I did.

 

[STROKETHIS]

i know the cash price vs finaced. But kioti has multi diff. prices for there machine by what interest rate you want. I have done the research and home work and i know numbers pretty well. It makes alot of since to me when i can buy a kubota for a higher price but come out cheaper becasue of the finaceing.

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi,
I fear the difference here is that the Kioti dealer quoted you a price with a hefty discount included. The Kubota on the other hand was not so quick to discount. Our dealers up here(Kubota)always give out the list price so they can react to the type of buyer you are. You want O% they don't have to move the price, where the Kioti guy has to pay to help buy down the rate so he has to get his price back up close to list price.
If you compare tractor for tractor, spec for spec the Kioti is most often less money and give you a year longer warranty. Kubota has come out with several models that are more HP, but lighter tractors to try to compete with Kioti pricing. More HP and less weight is not what you want in most cases.
Check HP, weight, features and warranty and Kioti will come out on top.
I am of course more partial to the Kioti Brand, but this is all just fact.
Good Luck
KiotiDave

 

[STROKETHIS]

I dnt think 24995 on the dk45se or 20995 on the ds4510 is a very good price. Thats the base price he started with. From there he said i could get a free bush hog or take 1500 off the price. But if i did that i would have to take the 6.09 apr finaceing. If i wanted the .99 or 1.9 or 2.9 i would have to pay a mark up on top of the 24995 and 20995. Yes kubota has a cash price diff. Its a thousand bucks in most cases. Mahindra is bout 2,000 in most cases if you wans to use the 0% vs there 4.9 finaceing. Kubota finaceing is the most up front. Like i said i know kioti is a good tractor but it does not have the history or legancey of the kubota. In this case i can get what i feel like is more tractor and a better tractor for 23000 for a mx4700. Thats with 0% apr for 60 months. So no matter how you cut it the kubota is cheaper over all. I could spend 27500 on a kubota and end up with the same monthly note as the dk45se kioti if i take the rebate and put it toward the tractor and pay 23995 for the tractor. My note would be 455 at 6.09. I could get a kubota for 27500 and pay 0% for 5 years and note would be 458. Its really a no brainer. I wish i would have found out that the kioti was a bang for the buck as i had heard but its just not when you look at the big picture. Naybe my dealer is too high. I don't have anyone to compare them to as they have all 3 kioti dealerships within a 100 miles of me. Please any dealers feel free to pm me a price or let me know if them prices sound too far off. I was also quated cash price of 23000 on the dk45 and 19995 for the ds4510.

 

[bluechip]

You should be able to get the quoted cash price from a KIOTI dealer at the 6.09, you don't have to go 72 or 84 months. If you finance 20,000 (the DS4510 is the most comparable to the MX4700) at 6.09 for 60 months your payment will be about 387.50. That payment at 0% for 60 months will finance about 23,500. If the dealer adds 6% to the kioti plus give up the 1500 the Kioti goes to 22695 which will now finance at 0% Of course if you pay off early, you will have a higher pay off with the 0% deal because you basically have the interest built into the loan amount. So the MX4700 would have to be less than 22695 to be cheaper than the DS4510 (if you don't pay off or trade before end of the term). Any down payments will narrow the gap as the benefit of 0% is reduced. The DS does have a few features the MX does not, like full seat pan, push button PTO control and a rubber floor mat and of course 4 year unlimited hour warranty.
Kioti does require the dealer to buy down the rates and also forfiet any rebate. This is why I quit quoting 0% at my dealership. If i quote a price than I can offer 0% to everyone, the cash buyers or those with a large down or trade in, will get too high a price and I risk losing the sale. One of the few things I remember from my studies of economics back in the 70's was "ther is no such thing as a free lunch". If a company offers 0% rebate of a 1000, on a deal like this, the cash buyers are subsizing the 0% buyers. to be more equitable, the cash rebate would need to be about 2500. So who is really more up front with financing?

 

[bluechip]

Just a correction, it will cost the dealer 4% (not 6) to buy the rate to 0 for 60 months and losse the current incentive/rebate of $1200 so if your KIOTI dealer will sell at 19,995 cash, he should be willing to give you 0% for 60 at $21,995 or thereabouts. In other words, the MX4700 would have to be less than 21,995 to be cheaper than the DS if you finance at 0 for 60. I wrote the previous response at home, before coffee, and was going by my middle adged memory on the programs....

 

[STROKETHIS]

bluechip if you will pm me some prices on the two models. I think my dealer is lil on the high side.