Does John Deere have weak starters

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deere755

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Case 2090 Massey Ferguson 4233 John Deere 4700
It seems we have alot of starter problems with our 755. Today my Dad tried to start the 4700 and it would not even click. He cleaned the battery posts and it fired right up, problem solved so we thought. He shut it off and when he tried to restart it same thing. This time he noticed a little corrosion on the starter post so he cleaned it and it started. He was doing some work in the woods and it would not start again so he lightly tapped the starter with the handle of a hammer and it fired up. Does anyone else seem to have starter problems or is it just us? Does the starter need to be rebuilt or should we look at something else?
 
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I have not had any trouble with my starter, seat switch yes. I wonder if your battery is getting weak on the 4700. It may not have had enough amps to pull in the soleniod. Or you may have a bad soleniod. At least you have all good connections now.
 
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Your 755 is doing exactly like one of the two 750's that I had years ago. The fix for mine turned out to be adding an extra solenoid to it. I believe that JD may actually offer this as a kit. There have been a couple threads about this in the past and you might try searching for them. I think they might have been in the Parts/Repairs forum. The problem with mine was that over time all of the connection points get some corrosion in them, which adds resistance to the circuit. This extra resistance creates small voltage drops, and also limits the current getting to the solenoid. Not only that, the wiring in the ignition switch/starter/soleniod/ circuit is slightly undersized in places which also creates more slight voltage drops as well. All these drops are sufficient enough (when added up to together because they are all in series) to cause the starter to work erractically at times. Mine got to where I had to turn on the key to start, then hit the starter with a mallet whenever I wanted to crank it. Adding the relay jumpers the 13.8v from the heavy gauge wire going to the starter motor over to the smaller wire that goes to the solenoid, but only when the key switch is turned to the start position. In essence, the relay provides a little more voltage to the solenoid so it can do it's job better. You might talk to a starter/alternator shop and see if they have any knowledge of this. If they've ever worked on any tractor starters, then they probably have seen it before. I just know that after I added the extra relay to the 750, it cranked first time everytime and never had to use the mallet again.

One other thing is have you checked to make sure your ground wire on the battery is grounded to the frame good? Could be some corrosion on that end of it too. Good luck!
 
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The fix for mine turned out to be adding an extra solenoid to it.

I think what Mr. Kebo meant was to add an extray relay. JD does sell a kit, but you can also make and install your own for less that $5. Pretty easily done, as well.
 

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I think what Mr. Kebo meant was to add an extray relay. JD does sell a kit, but you can also make and install your own for less that $5.

$5?????? Where is the average guy going to buy a fuseholder, relay, wire and a handfull of crimps AT RETAIL for $5??
 
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Rick
I took it as a "figure of speech" meaning for little money. :D
I like the suggestion. Will try to keep it in mind whenever I might need it. :)
 
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$5?????? Where is the average guy going to buy a fuseholder, relay, wire and a handfull of crimps AT RETAIL for $5??

I apologize, Mr. Rickb. I assumed that, after buying the relay for $3.95 the purchaser could go home and scrounge the rest out of his parts bin and scrap box and come up with the rest of the stuff. I guess you have to figure in the electricity for the soldering iron as well.

Some folks did like the assistance.
 
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I had this problem on my 25HP Kolher in my Simplicity Legacy. Motor had to stop exactly at the right place in the compression cycle or it would not start. I had to manually unwind the motor by the fan and then it would be strong enough to catch momentum before the compression hit and then it could crank for a while with no problem. Tried putting a larger battery. That didn't help. Then I did the relay fix and it solved the problem. Another thing I tried before setting up the relay permanently was to jump the solenoid directly with boosting cables. In my case, it seems to actually wake it up for good and I did not need the relay anymore. It seems like there was a bad contact in the solenoid and putting all the battery power on it at once cleared it. I had the problem on and off for 2 years and all the sudden it was gone simply by "boosting" the solenoid...
 

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