Engine Shutdown

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JJPWAus

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West Australia
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Iseki TS1910, JD110
I am currently shutting down my tractor by closing off the fuel rack, I belive that my tractor is supposed to have a spring return butterfly on the intake manifold.
Am I causing any damage by shutting off the fuel rather than the air??
 
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John, I don't know anything about Iseki, but I think the normal way to shut down diesel engines is to cut off the fuel supply; some manually and some via electric solenoid. So I'm reasonably sure you're doing the right thing.
 
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<font color="blue"> Am I causing any damage by shutting off the fuel rather than the air?? </font>

John, No you won't do any harm, all diesels are shut down by cutting the fuel not the air to my knowledge.
 
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John,
I don't know how your tractor operates.I Believe you are not doing any harm by just shutting down the fuel.The only time I've seen an air shut off was when I worked on New York City Buses.
These buses used, at the time, the 671/871 GM Diesel engines.The blower/super charger had what they called a dump door sitting on top of the blower to cut off the air supply.This was only to be used in case of an emergencey.
 
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Bird/Vin/Bob
Thanks for the feedback, it's good to be reassured that it's not doing any harm.
 
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Hey Bird, Vinnie.
Maybe they all should have a air shut off placed forward of the air intake this way mice and small critters would be shut out.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( called a dump door sitting on top of the blower to cut off the air supply.This was only to be used in case of an emergencey. )</font>

Our diesel mechanic at work wes telling me about stuff like that. he said when he rebuilt an injector pump, he would have a 'choke' plate ready to close the intake in case of runaway...

Soundguy
 
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Many places where a volatile cumbustible gas may be present require the diesel engines to have a positive air shutoff. This is usually some form of clipgate valve or sliding gate that seals the air intake.

It's purpose is to stop engine runaway and prevent the combustible gas from going Bang.

Shuting off the air supply for a normal stop may entail a little fuel accumulating in the cylinders which in turn will leak down into the crankcase strippping lubricating oil from the cylinders as it goes. Would make for poor starting.

Egon
 
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I think I've heard a news story about ( though never witnessed ) a propane runaway at a construction site when they broke a gas main once time.

Soundguy
 
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Speaking of diesel runaway ....

My uncle (a truck driver) has on a couple of occasions experienced some slight, uncommanded acceleration while driving beside or through refineries. Apparently low hanging clouds of propane or natural gas getting sucked in the air intake. Nothing came of it, but he says it makes you feel a bit uneasy to say the least. I'd feel uneasy about the fact there is that much gas leaking, never mind the diesel problems! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

A more drastic, and terminal (to the engine), case was another relative with a GMC turbo diesel pickup. He had the turbo replaced but it must have been a poorly done rebuild and the bearings or seals or something went out. One day he started the truck, preparing to go out for the day, and it started to accelerate on its own. It was eating it's own engine oil by way of the bad turbo bearings. The faster it went, the more boost the turbo made and the worst the oil leak got. Cutting off the air supply involved tools and time and he wasn't too keen on climbing under the hood to do that, so all he could do was watch. He knew what was happening and what was to come, so he just pulled out a lawn chair and watched as the thing screamed and filled the neighborhood with smoke. Eventually it either used up all the engine oil or something just couldn't take it anymore - BANG!! and there were more pieces inside the engine than there used to be.

Lucky for him the guys that had replaced the turbo took responsibility and replaced the engine for him - about $8000 worth directly from GM.
 

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