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This post has nothing to do with tractors...but, I wanted to share with TBN members a site which might be of interest to all in regards to any future conflicts when it comes to the war on terrorism.

Washington may say that nothing is in the works short term - but these photographs tell a slightly different story.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/pic-2002.htm showing different areas of the world and what has been happening over the last 7 months.

Really a great site for "inside information" and worth the bookmark. Here's the home page for future reference: <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.globalsecurity.org/>http://www.globalsecurity.org/</A>

As they say, pictures are worth a thousand words and these pictures speak volumes on current war planning efforts against terrorism.

Regards,
Bob Ancar
Cambridge, NY
 
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Hi Bob,
Cool site, nice pictures. But, (to play the devils advocate), pictures by themselves are easily misinterpreted. The fact that a country has military installations that look like state of the art, doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. As for "insider information", I doubt very seriously that this would qualify. These photos were taken by a commercial satelite and dispensed by a private organization with political designs of their own.

From their site:
GlobalSecurity.org is focused on innovative approaches to the emerging security challenges of the new millennium. The organization seeks to reduce reliance on nuclear weapons and the risk of their use -- both by existing nuclear weapons states and those states seeking to acquire such capabilities. GlobalSecurity.org aims to shift American conventional military forces towards new capabilities aligned with the post-Cold War security environment, and to reduce the worldwide incidence of deadly conflict. The organization is working to improve the capabilities of the American intelligence community to respond to new and emerging threats, reducing the need to resort to the use of force, while enhancing the effectiveness of military forces when needed. GlobalSecurity.org also supports new initiatives utilizing space technology to enhance international peace and security.

Like I said, cool pictures, but hardly insider information.
 
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Bob,

The airbase and facilities in question are certainly not secret.
But those are some WAY cool photos. Especially the multi
facited building to lower radar signature. Really neat. Makes
you wonder what other technology our taxes have paid for
and we know nothing about. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

But back to the base. The US has been building a relationship
with the host country as well as the base infrastructure for a
few years. Its been a rocky relationship since a few years
ago the country wanted to buy some .50 cal machine guns
and we turned them down. DUH! The US has been wanting
to building backup facilities in the region for a variety of
reasons thus the new base. Given that the Saudis aren't real
keen on some US policies and vice versa this was a prudent
step. The base is supposed to be able to duplicate the HQ
functions that are now on Saudi soil.

As an aside I just read that the Arab countries only provide
2% of the funds that aid the Palestinian people. But I guess
they can find the money to aid mass murderers.....

Later,
Dan
 
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<font color=blue>As an aside I just read that the Arab countries only provide
2% of the funds that aid the Palestinian people. </font color=blue>

For the Muslim world, the worse-off the Palestinians are, the more it makes the Israelis look bad. There is no incentive to help them since it would make their plight look less desperate.
 
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DocHeb,

WOW, that was a fast reponse. Must have been a record!
I saw your email to me about my comment! I just sent it!
/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I aggree. By keeping the Palestinians down it keeps the focus
on the Israelis and the US instead of the problems in the Arab
countries... I know there is a just published book about why
the Arab countries, who used to be very advanced, have
slipped so far. Especially with the oil rich states. Its really
sad....

Later,
Dan
 
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Mike and Dan...

I fully agree with all you've said....no top secret stuff here. But, the point I was trying make in posting this was we hear every day or every other day that "the President has no war plans on his desk." If this is the case, then what are all these fuel tankers and transport planes doing sitting on tarmacs in little known Middle East countries. Certainly, there could be better and safer places to store them.

Bob
 
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Bob,

There were not that many planes in the pictures. A half
dozen tankers and transports don't mean much. Course, I
would like to see what is in the hangers! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I'm sure
we have a handfull of F15/F16s sitting at the base for some
protection but I would really be suprised if there is much else
there at the moment.

I also don't think GW has a war plan on his desk either. I'm
sure the White House and Pentagon are passing many plans
back and forth but nothing concrete. My two cents is that
all of the talk about going after Iraq is sabre rattling to push
****** into letting the inspectors back in. The Europeans,
as usual, don't really give a dang about what is going on, and
since they have a Pavlovian reaction to almost ANY US policy
decision, they are running around saying GW is a nut and is
going to start a war on poor ol' Iraq. Course all the headless
chickens are running around saying that the sky is about to
fall on ******, that may be enough to cause Iraq to let in
the Inspectors. Nixon played this game real danged well to
get us out of Viet Nam when he let fly the B52s and the mining
of Haiphong. And it worked for Nixon. The North got back
to the talk table and we left the South to go belly up... But
we supposedly got out with "honor."

There is a real problem with going after Iraq. If they have
any WMD, ****** will use them. Certainly on Israel and likely
on his neighbors. Why not. If he is going down take as many
with him as possible. Thus the Saudi reaction. On the other
hand if he does NOT have WMD now is the time to take him
down.

So the central question is..... Is ****** packing some big
heat? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif And is GW going to call his bluff..... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Wonderful stuff RealPolitic Poker.... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Later,
Dan
 
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Hi Dan...

<font color=blue>"...So the central question is..... Is ****** packing some big heat?...Wonderful stuff RealPolitic Poker...."</font color=blue>

Well...maybe. Read the following excerpt from one of DEBKA Net Weekly's recent editions. These guys tell a story somewhat different from the one that's reported in the American mainstream media and news weeklies. It's somewhat lengthy, but it's compelling and thought provoking.

Iraq

****** Close to Decision on Preemptive Strike

As America piles up a military armada in the Gulf, Red Sea and Mediterranean regions for a general assault on the Iraqi regime, ****** Hussein is closing in fast on a critical decision on whether - and where - to strike in order to pre-empt the US offensive.

The talk on all hands this week was ominously about the use of “every means at our disposal”.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s disclosures since March regarding US and Iraqi war plans and Washington’s American Middle East re-partition program (DNW Nos. 54, March 22; 66, June 28; 67, July 5) have also provoked an explosion of media coverage.

This week, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources find strong evidence in four tactically telling military preparations ****** has set in train that he is inching closer to his crucial decision. They all signal his active contemplation of biological, chemical - and even a variety of nuclear - weapons against long-range targets:

A. Mirage F-1 with “Spray Tanks”

The Iraqi air force is now taking wing freely in the no-fly zones of southern and northern Iraq, backed by its new radar system and air defenses. Their Chinese fiber optics-enhanced equipment (reported in DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue 67) instantly spots and identifies any foreign plane entering Iraqi air space. Iraq therefore has a running picture at all times of when US, British, Turkish or Israeli planes enter its air space and when the horizon is clear of hostile aircraft.

Given this reconnaissance capability, the Iraqi air force can now fully exploit the French-made advanced Mirage F-1 planes for all-day flights and intensive mid-air refueling exercises.

The F-1’s outstanding feature is its exceptionally long flight range supported by a large fuel tank with a 2,200-liter (1,000 gallons) fuel capacity. These exercises indicate that the Iraqi general staff and the air force command are planning to use the Mirage F-1 planes for long-range missions against three probable targets: Israel, Jordan and US forces deployed in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

US and Israeli spy satellite surveillance have made an even more troubling discovery: The F-1 carries an extra fuel tank with a 1,000-liter (455 gallon) capacity. Both of its fuel tanks can be jettisoned electronically, but the extra tank is apparently a “spray tank” equipped with computer-controlled aerosol spray generators that intelligence experts believe can “crop dust” a seven to 10 square kilometer (three to four square mile) area with anthrax, nerve gas or biological agents. This relatively low-tech device overcomes one of the Iraqis’ basic difficulties in delivering chemical or biological agents by missile: intense friction at launch burns out the toxic substances in its warhead.

Our military sources report the F-1s are stationed in at least four Iraqi military airfields.

Al Jaara Airbase, about 150 km (90 miles) southeast of Baghdad, not far from the southern bank of the Tigris. Covering a 33 square kilometer (13 square mile) area, it is protected by a missile air defense system, an electronic security fence, guard towers and gun emplacements.

Balad Airbase, some 70 kilometers (40 miles) north of Baghdad, is served by two runways -- the first, 11,300 feet (3.5 kilometer) long, and the second, 11,200 feet (3.4 kilometer) long.

Talil Airbase, lies some 20 kilometers (12 miles) southeast of Nasariyeh and more than 330 kilometers (205 miles) southeast of Baghdad. This base, which covers 30 square kilometers (11.5 square miles), also has two runways.

Al Baghdadi, about 300 km (180 miles) west of Baghdad and some 270 km (170 miles) east of the Jordanian border. Its paramount task is to defend central Iraq from air attack from the west – the Mediterranean and the Israeli air force. Here, ******’s son Uday maintains his command center.

According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources, these installations are also home to light planes equipped with spraying gear for chemical and biological toxins. The L-29 Delfin can carry two 300 liter (80 gallon) tanks, as can the Polish-made BZM-18 crop duster aircraft Iraq has purchased. Both have a range of between 700 and 800 kilometers (420 and 320 miles) and are equipped with global positioning navigation system .

B. Dummy Missile Convoys

US and Israeli reconnaissance planes report recent sightings of long convoys of Iraqi military trucks - converted in the past into mobile missile launchers - heading north towards the northern oil cities of Kirkuk and Mosul and the armored divisions deployed on the eastern banks of the Big Zab and Little Zab rivers (as reported in DEBKA-Net-Weekly Issue No. 67 last week). Similar convoys are moving south toward the borders with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

These convoys appear to be decoys, their missile freights dummies, since no attempt is being made to hide them as they travel openly by day along main highways. They look as through they are transporting such surface-to-surface missiles as medium-range Scud Bs, the al-Hussein whose range is up to 650 to 750 km (400 to 470 miles) and the al-Abbas whose reach is 950 km (590 miles). But this may be a trick by ****** to convince hostile watchers that his missile arsenal is much larger – as many as 500 units - than the 150-200 missiles most intelligence agencies credit him with having.

C. Special Missile Unit 223 Has Chemo-Bio Warheads

According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources, the Al Hussein Missile Brigade and its Special Unit 223 were put on an alert concurrently with the missile convoys’ movements. The six-battalion-strong Unit 223 is the only Iraqi missile unit armed with chemical and biological warheads. Detachments of this brigade are stationed in the Hamrin Mts. north of Baghdad, where many experts believe Iraq has set up secret stores for its nuclear devices, such as radiological bombs.

D. ****** Calls up “Men of Sacrifice”

What set the alarm bells for a pre-emptive strike jangling in earnest was Iraq’s call-up ten days ago of the 35,000-strong combat force known as ******’s Martyrs, or Men of Sacrifice, which is now on high alert. Made up entirely of members of ******’s own Tikrit tribe, this force is tougher, more loyal and more arcane than even the most secret elite divisions of the Republican Guard. Commanded by ******’s son Uday, the little known about this closed tribal force is that it receives its training in bases to which only members of the ****** clan have access, that it is structured on modular lines and that it numbers both a chemical combat unit and an intelligence unit for chemical and biological warfare. Persistent reports suggest also a nuclear weapons unit equipped with cruise missiles developed in Iraq from the naval missiles bought from China and Belarus.

Other units of ******’s Martyrs are naval commandos, communications and transports – all of which function independently of the Iraqi army – as well as several hundred undercover agents planted clandestinely in other key Iraqi army units as ******’s spies and as assassins of those senior officers marked out by the Iraqi dictator for liquidation. These agents are also trained to take swift command of military’s command centers, communications hubs and main weapons depots should they come under threat of takeover by the ruler’s adversaries.

The almost unprecedented full mobilization of ******’s Martyrs signaled to the rest of the Iraqi army and the major national tribes that the boss is on the verge of a crucial political or military decision

As we reported two weeks ago, on June 28, special command units of the Republican Guards were dispatched to northern Iraq to engage the Kurds recruited and trained by US special forces and CIA combat units. This week, preliminary reports filtered through of battles raging between Iraqi forces, on the one hand, and US contingents and Kurdish rebels, on the other. The fighting is still ongoing. According to the news reaching DEBKA-Net-Weekly, both sides are taking heavy casualties, the Kurds suffering the highest losses. Both sides are pouring reinforcements into the combat zone.

US special forces troops have been detached from bases in Jordan, raising to between 800 and 1,000 US special forces troops believed deployed at present in North Iraq’s Kurdish regions.

Iraq, for its part, has sent in two supplementary forces – another contingent of Republican Guards commandos and one of the six fighting battalions of the Islamic extremist Kurdish group known as Ansar al-Islam, or “The Soldiers of God”. This organization, based in the city of Bayara on the border between the Kurdish-Iranian region and the Kurdish-Iraqi area, is commanded by Abu Abdullah al-Shafi, who is known to have personal links with ***** bin Laden and his right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahri.

The semi-official Baghdad daily “Babel” owned by ******’s son Uday this week came up with its own tailored version of DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s disclosures relating to the Bush administration’s blueprint for redrafting Middle East frontiers. In an editorial signed “Abu Hatem” one of Uday’s recognized pseudonyms, he writes, “The Saudis were first to realize that the Americans seek to divide their kingdom”. Iraq, he adds, will be willing to come to Saudi rescue if it is asked. Bahrain, according to “Abu Hatem”, is fated to be restored to Iran, while Jordan is designated “a homeland alternative for the Palestinians”.

”The implementation of the partition plan”, according to the Iraqi writer, “ is linked to eliminating the Palestinian intifada, and in order to achieve that goal they have to attack Iraq.”
 
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Bob,

There is some interesting stuff in the report but I question
how much of it is true or a concern. For instance, saying
there is heavy fighting going on in the Kurdish areas. I have
not heard any reports from the WSJ, NY Times, or Washington
Post. Course what the press calls "heavy" and what is reality
are two different things.

Also the report that there 800-1000 Special Forces in the
Kurdish area is kinda hard to believe as well. Usually SF
operates in very small groups of 12 or so. Its possible but
that many people on the ground IN IRAQ makes me very
sceptical.

The report that ******'s Martyrs have been called up is
a who cares from a Iraq is going to launch some WMD.
****** may have called up his loyal tribesman to cover his
a..ss because he feels threatened by another group on Iraq
for all we know. People have tried to take him out before
and they will try again.

Another thing that is iffy in the report is the statement that
the toxin's in a bio/chemical warhead are damaged during
a missle launch. Well that is a new one on me. For a ballistic
missle the problem has been reentry but not the launch.
While that may be a quibble it raises doubts about the
other info in the report.

There have been some mention of some violations of the
no fly zones but I have not heard any lately. I really don't
believe its happening often enough to provide any real
training. Certainly the air cover provided by the US to the
Saudis and other Gulf states will take care of anything that
is a threat to the neighborhood. If the Iraqi Air Force
managed to slip out a plane to attack a neighboring state
then someone screwed up pretty bad.

The fact that Iraq is playing shell games with Scuds or SAM
sites does not mean anything. I would assume he has been
doing it all along. And even if he just started, it would be the
prudent thing to do know given the talk of invasion.

Israel spy planes over Iraq is an interesting item. The only
way for an Israeli plan to get to Iraq is to fly over an Arab
country or via Turkey. Now the Jordanians have always
played an interesting game with Israel and its possible for
them to be allowing access to their airspace... The two
countries do share infomation.

I guess I am critical of what they are saying in the report and
certainly their conclusions. Since ****** is not rational at
least from my perspective he might attack his neighbors with
WMD. But that would not preempt an US invasion but would
cause it since the victims of the attack would want the US
to come to their aid. Course they would blame as well since
it was the US's tough talk that cause ****** to do bad
things.

But I think the information in the report does not point to
any direction that ****** is going to take.

My two cents. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Dan
 

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