Farm Pro 2420 Gears

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DavidBradley

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I am thinking of buying a FP 20 HP tractor, I have looked at them at the Homier Shows and at dealers. One question I have (among many) is does the gear shifting ever loosen up. The tractors I have driven took both hands too shift the gears. This was the same on Farm Pro and Jinma. All the dealers tell me this is because its new and will loosen up over time. Is this true? I have driven others, such as a TAFE and the shift was much easier. It was also much more expensive. Thanks to anyone who can help, and any advise is welcome. I plan to use this tractor for light bushhogging and mowing. I am looking to buy the 20 hp with manual steering.
 
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I have never opened a TAFE gear box, but I would guess the difference would be beveled gear teeth - as opposed to the flat faced FarmPro. It costs more money to make a bevel gear out of a flat one.

There is a 50 hour break-in schedule for most Chinese tractors, which involves X number of hours of load on each gear/range/direction. It's more of an engineering exercise than a practicality, but the intent is to do just as you wish; smoother (and quieter) shifting.

In reality, spending X number of early working hours in each gear simply rounds off the flat faced gear tooth edges - so that their mesh begins to approximate that of the smoother bevel faced design.

The 2wd version - especially without power steering - is going to feel very light at the front end with a load hanging off the back. Size your rotary cutter choice accordingly. I'm thinking four footer.

//greg//
 
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The Jinma/Farm Pro use a sliding gear transmission. This means you are acutally moving the drive gears, disengaging one pair and engageing another when you move the lever. This is done by moving a bar or rail that has a fork attached to a pair of gears. The shifting will get easier with time as all of these components wear in, but it will never shift like a constant mesh tractor. If the TAFE you looked at was a CUT it is LG same as Farmtrac, and they are actually synchromesh, like in a manual transmission car these tractors are not in the same class as JINMA or FarmPro as you noted they are more than twice the price of the 2420.

Constant mesh and synchromesh transmissions have all or some of the gear sets running together constantly, with a collar sliding on a spline between two sets of gears, this collar is moved by the rail and fork. A cog with beveled teeth on each end of the collar connects one gear set or the other to the shaft causing that set to drive the vehicle. Synchromesh adds a metallic clutch that rides on a cone that gets both the collar and the gear spinning the same speed before engagement. This is used in automobiles so you can change gears without grinding while in motion. the same is true on tractors although this ability is not near as important as you tend to select a gear and work in that gear rather than start in 1st and work your way up.

Most all Chinese tractors are sliding gear design, it is the lowest cost, and it has the fewest number of components so tends to be more reliable, the disadvantage is shifting is a bit more difficult, especially when new.

The KM series KAMA tractors have constant mesh transmission design and tend to shift much easier than Jinma but these start at 45HP.

The 2420 makes a great little brush hogging tractor, as Greg says, if you go with a 5' brush mower (it will pull a 5' for light "pasture clipping" operations) get a light duty (light weight) one and keep it close to the ground in case your tractor may tend to want to do wheelies when you let the clutch out. We ususally sell a 4' with this tractor, but have a few customers running 5' successfully, If you cut your grass before it gets much over a foot tall, you should be find. If the grass gets too tall, dont take full passes or you can just slow your ground speed to keep the engine happy.
 
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Don't look for a sliding gear tranny to ever be as smooth as helical gear tranny.

The -never rebuilt- sliding gear tranny still shifts with two hands.. and the tractor is from 1946...


Soundguy
 
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(Shifting with two hands) I always get a kick out of talking about our antique tractors over here on megabudget by net /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I always tell people my 9n has three speeds - too fast, really too fast, and holy cow-hang on for your life!

And it does take a firm hand to shift... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I always get a kick out of talking about our antique tractors over here on megabudget by net
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Mega-budget.. I love that. But it's true. This is the only board I read on where someone will post a problem, and then they will get umpteen dozen responses with ways to spend anywhere from 10K to 30K of someone else's money to 'get the job done'.

I guess I'm so used to the antiquey boards where when you post you have an exhaust leak.. they tell you to wrap some metal flashing under the exhaust clamp.. and it works.. and is free.. where here.. the answer is either " Call your dealer for service'.. 'Replace ALL exhaust parts' or 'Get a brand new tractor'!

Reminds me of old IBM service policy. Send the tech out and start replacing components till the problem is fixed...( and as the joke went.. how does an ibm service tech fix a flat tire? He gets out and starts changing one tire at a time till the car sets level again... )

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( holy cow-hang on for your life )</font>

My 2n has a sherman overdrive... darn.. 3rd and overdrive is just a tad too fast for me... Even with great breaks and the good tight steering my 2n has...

Just something about foot pegs and a shallow metal pan seat and 18mph...

Soundguy
 
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Thanks Guys for the information. I finally made up my mind and bought one at a Homier show. I did not buy from a dealer for the reason that all the FP dealers in the area are also used car dealers, and have been less than honest with me about information I asked them. One dealer did not know where the PTO shaft was, or what the differential lock lever was. They also had no repair shop that they could show me, or tell me where it was. One dealer, a small used tractor dealer even went as far as to tell me that the repairs were done at his assembley location in a nearby community. I found out there was no "assembly location" in that community and that repairs were done at nights and weekends by mechanics from truck and tractor repair shops trying to make an extra buck. At this point I could not justify buying from a "dealer" and went with the the savings from buying at the show.

Again thanks to all, but now the real questions will start, hope to get the same great help from you all.

Sincerely
Dave
 
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Congrats Dave,

Hope you don't need so much help, but hope if you do, I hope we can provide it on this board.

As the Farm Pro product line continues to grow, I expect we will see better dealerships evolve, sorry you couldn't find a good one in your area, but glad you saved some money!

Except for an occasional gage or minor wiring problem, the 2420 has been a reliable unit for our cusomers. I'm still amazed we have that product new for under $4k!

Best of luck and happy tractoring.
 
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I have a 2420 diesel Farm pro mahufactured 02 2003 with a koyker front end loader model 160 and a howse brush hog model G400R. I did not get any owners manuals with these items. I was toldthere is a small leak on one of the hydrolic hoses, and sure enough there was. I do not know where to check the fluid levels, where to ad fluids, fillter screens etc, kinds of fluids best suited for these items. Please help with locations of english manuals sceematic etc
 
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