farm Pro 2420

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bigearl42

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Beulah Alabama
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2003 FarmPro 2420
I really need some help, and so far everything i have found on the site is right on. My tractor starts off in high range and 1st gear just fine but after it gets warmmed up it will no pull over anything nor up a slight grade. it pulls fine in low or double los if you will but nothing in high range. once you get to level ground it is fine. i have adjusted the external linkage. please help me again
 
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These diesel tractors don't make much power until they are in their proper operating powerband, usually between 1800 and 2400 rpm. If you're in the high range gears you won't be able to pull hills in anything but 1st or 2nd gear and then only if you start out at full rpm. For actually pulling o hills, like plowing, mowing, etc, you'll need to be in low range, and then you pick the gear that gives you the forward speed you want when the engine is in the powerband.

Your terminology/description is a bit confusing to me,. though. Are you saying that when the engine is cold that it will pull hills in high range gears 2, 3, or 4? Or are you saying that it won't start from a dead stop on a hill when it is in high range? Or something else?

I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "double low". These tractors have a four speed gearbox with two ranges high and low. So you have 1st low, 2nd low, 35d low, 4th low and then 1st high, 2nd high, 3rd high and finally 4th high. That is, unless you have creeper gear - I dont have that on my tractor and don't know exactly how it functions except that it is a really low gear setup of some sort.

Generally speaking, your engine should have more or less the same power available whether it is cold or up to operating temp. It will be slightly better at temp than it is cold, but there shouldn't be a huge difference. It is better for the engine to operate at full temperature so most users let the things warm up for ten or fifteen minutes before putting a load on them.

Can you be more specific about the problem you're experiencing, using the gear terms I've outlined above? That will make it easier to help diagnose your issue.
 
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ok i will do my best when i am mowing the tractor will pull the 5 ft finishing mower with both levers in high range and 1st gear after a few minute maybe 15 minutes if i turn to go up an incline the tractor stops moving foward. the double low is with both levers in the low range. if it is in low range and 1st gear it will not pull at all past about 1200 rpm
hope this help clarify what i am experiencing but let me know
 
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Yeah, I think friction disc too. If it's not yet worn down to the rivets, there might be the possibility of adjusting a little of that out. You have to tighten down on the Belleville springs that compress the main drive pressure plates. Do you have a front loader mounted?

//greg//
 
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Okay, now I think I see where you're coming from with it and I agree with the others that it sounds as though your clutch is slipping s it heats up. My guess is that you're going to need to slit the tractor and replace the clutch, though. If it's been slipping when pulling a mower then the odds are that not only is the friction disc shot all to **** but pressure plate is glazed and micro-fractured, too. It doesn't take to much time driving with the clutch slipping like that to render it worn out completely.

If you don't have a loader mounted you could pull the inspection cover and try adjusting it like Greg mentioned and then taking as much adjustment as possible in the linkage, but my guess is that if it works at all it won't last long. However, with the bell housing window open you will be able to see how much clutch lining is left on the drive clutch, I think. If I'm not mistaken the drive clutch is visible while the PTO clutch is hidden from view. If I've got it backwards then you'd have to just try the adjustments and hope for the best.
 
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thanks i was afraid that was the problem so i guess into the shop and the jacks come out.
 
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If you've already resigned yourself to splitting the tractor, there would be nothing lost at least attempting to perform the adjustment I mentioned. It will involve dropping the loader mounts (if so equipped), but that's a lot less work than splitting.

Note #6 that I have circled in red. That's one of three nuts that adjust tension on the main drive Belleville spring (#8). They're locked in place with jam nut #7. The other two adjusting nuts are equally spaced around the circumference. The indicated 1.2mm is the specified gap between the adjusting nut and the pressure plate, but that's the spec for a new friction disc. Something the diagram doesn't show is a small compression spring around bolt #3. That 1.2mm gap should reveal about one segment of that spring. Anyway, as friction material wears off the disc, that gap eventually becomes insufficient and the disc eventually begins to slip between the plates. Pressure plates 20 and 22 must be drawn together slightly to compensate for that wear. You can do that through the inspection window on the bellhousing with the adjusting nut #6 and jam nut #7, after which you'll end up with something less than the spec'd 1.2mm.

But that window on the 200 series is centered among the bolt holes for the loader arm mounting brackets. So if you are loader-equipped, you have to drop the mounts to gain access to at least one of the inspection windows (there's one on each side). There is no exact spec as to how much you must tighten those 3 nuts, it's completely dependent upon how much material's worn off the disc. Too loose, and the disc will continue to slip. Too tight, and the pressure plates won't release. It's trial and error, but still easier (up front) than arbitrarily splitting the tractor.

Oh, a new friction disc is about 9mm thick to start with. If you have a way of measuring your own, that might tell you how much has worn away. Because if you haven't worn down to the rivets yet, your pressure plates might be salvageable.

//greg//
 

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Thanks Greg i will give it a try this weekend and let you know hopefully it will buy me some time. I am a school teacher and would like to make it until the end of may before having to split the tractor
 
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Excellent. If you've not worn down all the way to the rivets or backing plate yet - and the above procedure works for you - odds are good you'll be able to hold off till well past the end of the school year.

//greg//
 

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