FEL hook up. will this work?

[Hotpot]

I purchased this 2250 FEL and am just about to mount it to this IH 354. The parts manual shows a AUX port on the hydraulic block under the seat.(see pic) I want to run the inlet to the FEL controls from the AUX port and the outlet from the FEL controls down to the suction tube shown.(see pic) will this madness work and what might I expect from the FEL with this setup?

I looked everywhere it seemed, to see if I could find a setup like this but nothing was clear as to whether it will work or not.

 

[Tx Jim]

NO attaching FEL valve as you suggested will not allow hyd's to operate correctly. You need FEL valve to be attached in series so oil flows into FEL valve then continues on to 3 pt hitch IE not teed into hyd system. There should be 2 ports on hyd block to attach hoses for FEL valve.

 

[Hotpot]

Thank you TX JIM for stopping me from making that mistake. I really appreciate it.

If I'm to understand you correctly, Input on the FEL control valve from the hyd. pump. Then output on the FEL control valve to the 3 pt input under the seat?

Seems easier then what I was purposing.

 

[ericm979]

Some FEL valves have two outs- one is Power Beyond and goes to the 3pt (or other valves), the other goes to the tank.

 

[Tx Jim]

Some FEL valves have two outs- one is Power Beyond and goes to the 3pt (or other valves), the other goes to the tank.

I agree on current FEL valves having PBY port BUT back in the 70's when this tractor was built I'll bet one would be hard pressed to find a FEL valve with PBY attached to tractor.

 

[Hotpot]

There is only two lines to the FEL control valve. One IN, and one OUT.

This picture (see pic) is what I understand you guys to be saying is a correct setup?

I'm thinking this is why I've had so much trouble finding this info. It's almost too simple to need explaining. lol. I guess I wanted it to be harder to hook up or something. Anyway, thanks for your guys input.

 

[rScotty]

There is only two lines to the FEL control valve. One IN, and one OUT.

This picture (see pic) is what I understand you guys to be saying is a correct setup?

I'm thinking this is why I've had so much trouble finding this info. It's almost too simple to need explaining. lol. I guess I wanted it to be harder to hook up or something. Anyway, thanks for your guys input.

Your picture - nice picture - might not work. It all depends on how much flow and pressure that the loader "out" port sees when the outflow from the loader is being returned to the sump. Yes, those old loader valves with only an "in" and an "out" port are rare today, but were common in the 70's. It was about in the mid 1980s that we started to see more of the modern type loader valves which have ports for an "in", an "out", and a PB or Power Beyond. BTW, a loader valve is more also called a "directional flow" valve.

The way I would plumb your system would be to:
1. Either replace the loader valve with one having a PB port so that the loader valve "out" could be returned to the sump without pump flow or pressure being involved. The PB port connects with a high pressure hose to the 3pt input. Out goes to the sump.
2. Or put in a "selector valve" splitting the high pressure line from the pump into a flow to that old loader valve and a flow to the 3pt .... this way you hand-select whether to send the high pressure oil to your existing loader valve or to the 3pt hitch. That is how it was typically done for tractors back in the day before PB ports and accessory hydraulics. In that case the "out" from the loader valve goes to the sump.

Sources for valve comparison: Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

Good luck, rScotty

 

[bigdeano]

If the out port on the loader valve can withstand the full system pressure, it will work fine to hook it up like the picture. Some valves will work that way, some will be damaged. Watch out for spraying oil if you try it.

 

[Tx Jim]

Tractordata shows that an IHC 354 has a whooping 6 GPM hyd flow so I think a PBY will not be required

 

[Hotpot]

Agreed, not a big powerful tractor, Plus the directional control valve looks very strong, So....
I think I will hook up the hydraulics as the sketch shows, a simple in series connection.
If there are problems I will address them if and when they show themselves.
Thanks everyone for all the help.