Fencing questions

   / Fencing questions #11  
Don,

I love the look of your fence. Did you use a PHD for the posts or did you pound them in with a post driver?

Did you cement the line posts in the ground, or are they tamped in with rock? What about the corner posts?

Seeing the pictures of your place always brings back memories of when I lived in Florida. My parents, who live in Cape Coral, also own 5 acres on Pine Island, which has the same "look" to the land as you have. They haven't done anything on that property yet (and they have owned it for 15 years), so it is 5 acres of pine trees and palmettos. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
 
   / Fencing questions #12  
hog fence is a BIG no no for horses. They will get a leg through the bottom of it and tear the heck out of themselves getting it out.
 
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yes, i was aware of that...thats why I chose a 2x4 mesh spacing...plus it'll help keep the little goaties in
 
   / Fencing questions #14  
Cowboydoc, I should have been more careful if it sounded like I was suggesting hog wire for his fence -- I thought I was careful to say that I don't have any horses. My intention was to show the corners and bracing, which should work for no climb as well.
 
   / Fencing questions #15  
Gatorboy, we used a post hole digger, but it was before I got my tractor, so we used a gas one-man augur. I had a couple of younger guys to dig the holes, and we stretched the fence with the Cat 416 I rented to clear the fence line. I didn't have to dig all the holes; the back side had existing barbed wire. We took that down (carefully) and replaced it with the wire mesh, because the dogs could get through the barbed wire. But, we used the existing posts.

Nothing is in cement. Nothing tamped with rocks, because there aren't any rocks in this area of Florida! Just planted in the ground. It works because the corners provide their own bracing -- they're locked together tighter than a freshly wound Swiss watch (does anyone wind watches any more?). The only thing the part in the ground does is prevent them from sliding sideways when you stretch the fence. The intermediate posts don't really do anything but provide supplemental upright support for the fence -- slight exaggeration, but I think we could almost have used 1x2's for that.

The combined properties are almost 1200' long. We did use intermediate bracing every 400' that consisted of a corner setup, straightened up. In other words, the 3 7" posts are in line, with the two horizontal braces between them, and the diagonal wire going from the bottom of the center post to the tops of the outer posts. This was so we didn't have to stretch more than 400' of fence at a time.

The rolls are 330' long; we spliced them by making looping each horizontal wire around the corresponding wire on the next section, making double loops around each other, then twisting the wire back around itself. Fence pliers make the twisting really tight and moderately easy to do. It's time consuming; took me about a half hour or so to make each splice.


As for the look of the property, I like it, too, now, but I didn't when I first saw it 32 years ago (Florida scrubland, not my specific property). We're from the foothills of the Alleghenies East of Pittsburgh, and lived in Northern Massachusetts (Westford) for almost 10 years. I love the rolling NE hills, stone fences, colonial houses painted white with black shutters and a single candle in each window at Christmas, and NE churches with a simple spire. Post card beauty around every corner. Florida is flat, sandy, the slash pines are scrawny, and pepper trees are almost as bad as Kudzu. It took me a while to appreciate it. But, now, when we travel out of state, my heart quickens a little when we get to the lowlands of Georgia, and and really starts pumping as we approach the tropical zone.

Your parents live, as we do, right on the edge of that tropical zone. Look on any landscape zone map, and the tropical area is zone 10. Cape Coral, Okeechobee and Port St. Lucie are all close to the border between zones 9 & 10. To me, that's the best of both worlds -- not as intensely tropical as Miami or Naples, but not as cold as Orlando (which is too far North for anyone to live comfortably).

Cape Coral is sort of a sister city to Port St. Lucie -- similar in layout and concept. Today, they have a similar population (over 100K) and economic base. PSL is a little larger in land area (well over 700 square miles), but Cape Coral has more waterfront. Debates over the merits of the East coast of Florida vs. the West coast of Florida are as intense as hydro vs. gear, but both are great places. They're actually at the opposite ends of the same water way -- the cross-Florida waterway, which goes across Lake Okeechobee from the St. Lucie river in the East to the Caloosahatchie river in the West.

Both are also growing to large for early residents, which is why we bought in Okeechobee, and I suspect why your parents have their 5 acres on Pine Island. Do they have any plans for it?
 
   / Fencing questions #16  
I didn't mean you thought it was ok. I was just saying that in case anyone else thought that kind of fence was ok. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Fencing questions #17  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( PSL is a little larger in land area (well over 700 square miles) )</font>

I think I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Don.

In land area, Jacksonville is first with 757 square miles (it is also the largest in the 48-contiguous States); Cape Coral is second with 115 square miles and Port St. Lucie is Florida's third largest city, with 77 square miles.

My Dad keeps threatening to retire and build a stilt house on Pine Island, but he continues to work year-after-year.
 
   / Fencing questions #18  
<font color="blue"> In land area, Jacksonville is first with 757 square miles (it is also the largest in the 48-contiguous States); Cape Coral is second with 115 square miles and Port St. Lucie is Florida's third largest city, with 77 square miles. </font>

Oops, shows that I shouldn't be doing these things from memory; I obviously misplaced a decimal point. Thanks for finding it for me. 77 square miles was correct. As of January, 2004, according to a report released by the city, annexations have brought the total up to 95 square miles. The utility department has infrastructure in place to serve 130 sq miles, and the city is expected to annex most, if not all, of it.
 
   / Fencing questions #19  
Don,

You must have Lake Okeechobee on your mind, for the lake is 700 square miles.
 

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