Fix? or No?

   / Fix? or No? #1  

Avenger

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If you have read my other recent thread on my current 500hr service, you're up to speed.

As I wait for parts, I decided to get my butt out there and continue working on the tractor. First thing I did was drop the front axle oil. I drained all three plugs at the same time. I let it drip out for a few hours, and when I went to replace the plugs, I noticed a bit of thread tape in the main drain hole. This tractor uses pipe plugs for the drains and needs to have tape on the threads. I grabbed a little pick hook I have and fished it out. When doing so, something kinda large and heavy make a 'thunk' sound on the drain pan! Knowing exactly what it was, I continued to fish around, pulling a bit more metal chunks out. Eventually, I grabbed a small flexible magnet I have and fished all around inside the small cavity. I didn't actually pull any more out. Take a look at the photo.

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The wrench is for scale.

Now, if this was the rear axle on my pickup, I wouldn't be here talking about it. I'd already have the diff pan off inspecting the gears. But this is the front axle of my tractor, and it is not so easy to gain access. I used a small flexible borescope in through the holes, but I couldn't see anything. I really do not want to tear apart this front axle for an inspection. It has not acted up at all... except for that one time:


When I bought the tractor, it was equipped with the wrong steering stop bolts. I replaced them, and left just enough clearance between the tire and loader bracket. Then I put chains on and got bound up, breaking the upper control arm. It's the only real thing that I have had repaired under warranty, and I did the work myself.

My thought, or hope, or denial, is that I broke a tooth in the front end that fateful day, and the parts have simply sat at the bottom of the axle until now. While I do have the knowledge, the tools, the space, to completely tear down this front axle, I really, REALLY, do not want to. To put it simply, I don't have the time. This is not a simple one day or weekend project, as some of you know. I'd have to tear it down, figure out what broke, replace the broken parts, new seals, etc. Nope, not a fan.

So, I plan to ignore it. The tractor has not been acting like it has a broken tooth or ring at all. I know that leaving loose metal in the axle is asking for really bad things to happen, but I'm confident I have the bigger parts out. I left the main drain open, and added a few quarts of oil into the top, to try and flush anything out. Nothing more came out. I think I will run it for a few days, get it all mixed up, and drain it again.

What are your thoughts? Would you stop and tear into this front axle? Or would you run it and forget what you found?
 
   / Fix? or No? #5  
That's a tough call... I don't like leaving stuff in disrepair, or an unknown state of repair, but I believe I would let that one ride.
 
   / Fix? or No? #6  
If it was working with that stuff floating around the bottom of the housing, it should work just as well without it in there. Besides, if you do have a failure in the future, you would potentially be replacing the same parts anyway, right? Why do the work twice?
 
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Sounds like virtually every commuting car I drove when I was a mechanic in the 70's. After working on cars all day, the last thing I wanted to do was work on my own when I knew I could get another 1000 miles as is. Run it till it breaks down or you have an indication of imminent failure coming, then do the tear down/rebuild.
 
   / Fix? or No? #8  
I'd tear into it and fix it, same as you would if it were your pickup. You can't know what other damage was caused or what else might be on the brink of failure. Further, a future follow-up catastrophic failure may occur at a place and time that is VERY inconvenient to deal with. If you decide to let it go be sure to disclose the issue when you decide to sell the tractor.
 
   / Fix? or No? #9  
If it were mine, it would drive me nuts. I would have to tear into it.

Is there any chance that more damage could be created by not repairing it now ?

Would it be possible to ask your local tractor dealer for their opinion re thus issue ?
 
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I'd tear into it and fix it, same as you would if it were your pickup. You can't know what other damage was caused or what else might be on the brink of failure. Further, a future follow-up catastrophic failure may occur at a place and time that is VERY inconvenient to deal with. If you decide to let it go be sure to disclose the issue when you decide to sell the tractor.
Oh I get that! If it does break down, out in the field, it would suck getting it back to the shop for repairs. And if I do, when I do decide to get rid of the tractor, I have all my maintenance logs that go along with it. I do that for everything, take detailed notes and photos. Thats where my photos came from in this thread. I'd even go over the entire log with whomever buys it.

This axle is not like a rear end on a pickup. You have to remove the entire axle from under the tractor, remove the final drives on both ends, and then split the housing to gain access to the differential, ring gear, and pinion gear. It is not an easy job.

If it were mine, it would drive me nuts. I would have to tear into it.
It does kind of drive me nuts. But since it doesn't seem to effect the front end, or at least hasn't yet, I think I'm fine. I do plan on running it, near by the shop, to mix up the new oil really well, and then drain it again. My goal is to get the rest of the metal out if there is any. I haven't been hard on this tractor since moving to my new home. Its all flat and I'm not logging with it anymore. Just driving around the field, mostly mowing and snow removal these days.
Is there any chance that more damage could be created by not repairing it now ?
Absolutely there is! One of these broken teeth could jam up in the ring or DRV gears and break more things. It could seize up the entire front axle. That's why I plan to drain the oil again after running it around a bit, to see if I can get more out. If even more metal comes out, then I'll know more and probably tear into it. Not much came out so far, maybe a tooth, or part of a tooth.
Would it be possible to ask your local tractor dealer for their opinion re thus issue ?
I could. But the only real reason I go to the LS dealer anymore is for hard to find parts. Which is almost never. I used to work at a tractor dealership as a mechanic, and feel confident in my own abilities and diagnosis. If it breaks down further, I'll deal with it.
 

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