Flow control - needle valve question

   / Flow control - needle valve question #1  

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I'm planning on installing one of these so I can control the speed of my cylinder.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...-GPM-PRINCE-WNV-400-NEEDLE-VALVE-9-7961-4.axd

It says it can control flow by 0-5gpm.

My tractor puts out more than 5gpm does this control automatically take my flow down to 5gpm to start with or does the 1/4" hose take it to 5gpm from the get go and this valve just take it down from 5-0?

Tia!
 
   / Flow control - needle valve question #2  
Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Capacity: 11.9 gal [45.0 L]
Valves: 2 to 3
Pump flow: 9.8 gpm [37.1 lpm]
Total flow: 14.7 gpm [55.6 lpm]
Steering flow: 4.9 gpm [18.5 lpm]

There is no automatic cut off, but it will limit the action.

Your pump flow is 9.8 GPM, so why not get a valve to handle the flow?

1/2 NPT 15 GPM PRINCE WNV-800 NEEDLE VALVE

Controls flow in both directions.
 
   / Flow control - needle valve question
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#3  
Thanks JJ. I'm building a tree puller and adding a cylinder. I want to slow it down so I can control minor movement in pinching the tree so I don't clip it in half. I was just thinking I would match the hose Diamater to 1/4" like on my TNT and box blade.

The valve you show looks like it would use 1/2" hose so that would be pretty fast at wide open, right? If I'm understanding it,mi just don't think I'd ever need to start out that fast.

Am I correct in understanding that by starting out with 1/4" it would slow it down some and if I needed to go slower, I could use the 1/4" valve and dial down?
 
   / Flow control - needle valve question #4  
1/4" hose would be your initial restriction, this won't necessarily reduce the flow but will make pump work at higher pressure to get the flow to the cylinder.
 
   / Flow control - needle valve question #5  
Depending on the valve used to control the direction of the cylinder you may not need this valve, and you should understand how your system works before using one. In an open center system the hydraulic pump is putting out basically a fixed flow based on the tractor rpm (basically because as the pressure builds there will be some slippage). When no valves are in use this flow just returns through the valves to the tank. Switch the valve fully and all flow will go to the cylinder, regardless of the hose size or other restrictions. The pressure the pump must create will just be more as SSdoxie said. Most directional valves will handle the transition from this flow returning to tank to going to work fairly smoothly on their own (as an example my loader valve will go pretty quickly or I can feather it well enough). The key is they still have a place for the excess flow to go. If you add this restriction device and open your direction valve fully you will just be forcing full flow a more restricted path and thus working your hydraulic system harder without actually slowing it down much. A benefit might be realized however if this restriction happens to work well with your directional valve to get the feel you were going for, but it might make it worse. If you really need to be able to tune and slow it down, the correct way is with one of the flow control valves with 3 ports with the little lever on it. This will limit the flow at any pressure and pass the extra off to the tank. My 3ph valve (no position control) seems to have detents and that transition area is hard to get. I'm thinking of adding a flow control just so my implements don't jar my little yanmar and teeth when lifting them at anything above 1800rpm or so.
 

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