For Sale by Owner thoughts..

   / For Sale by Owner thoughts.. #1  

thatguy

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We are in the process of building a new home and need to sell the home we are in. The houses in our neighborhood have been selling pretty fast, although I realize the market is starting to slow down, and we are thinking of trying to sell it ourselves.

Has anyone sold their home without the assistance of a realtor?
Would recommend trying this?
Where did you get your contracts/forms?
Any suggestions, thoughts, or hints?

FYI - our house was built in 2001, great neighborhood, and based on past neighborhood sales we should be selling for around $170k

thanks

Brian
 
   / For Sale by Owner thoughts.. #2  
We are thinking the same. If you have a little time, I'd try it. My sister sold her house in just a few weeks her self. It works best if there is a house for sales near by.

patrick
 
   / For Sale by Owner thoughts.. #3  
Hey Brian,
We sold our last house as a "for sale by owner" - FSBO. The people we bought it from, sold it as a FSBO to us. No agent, good or bad, was involved. As the buyer when we purchased it, we did most of the work. The sellers even used our attorney at closing. Showed me that we could sell it ourselves when the time came and we did.

I would recommend FSBO if (1) you are in a high traffic and (2) quick turnaround (desirable) area, (3) you have the time, both to show the house and to sell it and (4) you are OK with negotiations. The real estate agents get their commissions for a reason - as we can attest, selling your own home can get very time consuming.

You need to be comfortable giving total strangers a complete "tour" of your house, letting them wander through and listening to their feedback and comments. Not everyone will like decorating styles and some will let you know it. Got to overlook most of that. You also need to be comfortable with negotiations. In a lot of cases you may be dealing with a buyer’s agent that will be negotiating for the buyer. You need to be able to stand firm with them and anyone else for that matter.

Couple of things you should consider/do.

1. If FSBO classes are offered in your area, you should go. My wife and I went to one, was a couple of hours one evening. Answered almost all of our questions and then some. This will help you show what is specific to your area (property disclosures, reports, etc.) and show you where to get the forms. I think we needed (2) here in NC – property disclosure and “right to buy” contract for the buyers. Both were available on line. Once you have the contract to buy, the real estate lawyer will take care of the rest – at least here in NC.

2. Set a time limit and time frame – if the house is not sold by xxxx date, list it with an agent. We had 9 months to sell, so we gave ourselves 6 months as a FSBO then we were going to list with an agent. Having this time limit will also help when the agents start calling – and they will! Trust me. When the FSBO sign went up in our yard, the agent calls were 3 may be 4 to 1 over interested buyers. They will try to talk you out of selling it yourself and let them do it for you. They can be a pest but this is also a pretty good barometer – the agents know where the “hot” areas are and if you are getting more agent calls then seller calls at first – GIVE IT TIME – this is a good sign.

Having a time frame also lets you give agents a firm answer and will hopefully avoid persistent follow up calls. I told all the agents that called we had to have the house sold in 12 months – which was true – our time table was to have it sold within the next 9 though. But, I didn’t want to tip my hand and let them know that 9 months from now, if they got a call from me, I was going to be a desperate seller – blood in the water so to speak.

This time also gives you an opportunity to interview perspective agents as well. Keep in mind that if you have to eventually list with an agent, you may have to raise the price to cover commissions. You lose on a 2x whammy here – anyone who saw your price listed as a FSBO, will offer the original price which means the commissions will come from the original price you were asking WITHOUT paying commissions. Plus, if you house did not sell at the original price, it probably will not sell with the agent fees tacked on to cover the cover costs. You need to consider this when pricing to sell - this is why a good appraisal is crucial.



3. Go on-line and get several "on-line appraisals". There is a fee and usually takes a couple of days. This will also show you what other houses in your area are selling for. Google for house appraisals and you should get a couple. We used smarthomebuy.com and think it was like $100 for 3 months. Read the fine print on some of these though – we found some that were nothing more than front ends for real estate agencies.

4. Get a home inspection - with or without an agent listing. Lets perspective buyers know that you are serious and not just throwing the house on the market - plus, better for you to find what needs to be fixed than the buyers.

Hope this helps and good luck. It is a lot of work, but, I thought it was pretty fun – totally new and something I had never done before. If I think we can do it again at some point will definitely give it a go. However, We are not in a high traffic area with our current house. We will probably have to use an agent when this house is sold.

Eddie
 
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thatguy said:
We are in the process of building a new home and need to sell the home we are in. The houses in our neighborhood have been selling pretty fast, although I realize the market is starting to slow down, and we are thinking of trying to sell it ourselves.

Brian

I sold one FSBO. Worked out well. Key for us was the house was immaculate. We spent time doing cosmetic stuff like paint, carpet, etc. Seems like most folks don't seem to look or care about the stuff that matters to me (foundation, gutters, roof, etc.) But have some nice paint and carpeting, wow, folks love it. If it looks worn, fix it. If a woman would object, fix it.

Also, empty the rooms of all the extra stuff. Get a storage locker. Clean out the stuff. The less stuff in a room, the better it looks.
Bob
 
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Another option is, the newer ala-carte arangements. When we sold our house about 3 years ago, we used a company like Help-U-Sell (or many others around the country). For a small fee (something like $500) they listed our house in the MLS (realtor multi lisiting system). We had the choice of paying the buyers realtors fee or not offering them the fee (their commision). This worked out like this:
$500 MLS listing fee
3% cut to the buyers agent.
Saved about $5500 roughly a $200,000 sale.
The typical realtor fee's are 6%, 3 for the buyer realtor and 3 for the seller. I have a feeling the realtors are getting a run for the money from these kinds of businesses. Disclaimer* From what I understand realestate laws vary from state to state.
Good Luck, Dave
 
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I sold mine in '03. The market was very good(S. FL), so i stuck a sign in the front yard, then on the weekends i put out half a dozen "open house" signs and arrows. I had a contract in 2 weeks, and saved 14K in normal realator fees. You can get a standard contract just about anywhere and the buyer does all his own paperwork. I suggest you hire your own lawyer to go over all the paperwork prior to signing, they usually charge around $300 for this service. If the sellers market is good there is no reason to list, especially if you are not in a big hurry.
RD
 
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Here's a link I forgot to post last night:

http://www.forsalebyowner.com/

Some good information on this site. We picked up a copy (free) of the local "For Sale by Owner" magazine at the grocery store. The back page listed the seminars I was referring too. The seminars, at least the one we went too was great. Tons of information and you get to network with other sellers and many of the non-commission agencies others have referred too.

Totally agree with Doc_Bob, take some time to clean the place up and perform some maintenance. New paint and cleaning up the gutters, soffits, beds, etc. that you have been meaning to do for a while, goes a looong way. Was amazing to me when we bought our first house the condition some people will put their houses on the market.

Our downstairs carpet was terrible - old and having an active 100lb lab in the house did not help. Instead of replacing, we gave a carpet allowance. This let the new owners decide what to put down. They may not like the selection and rip it down to put down there own choice.

Once again, good luck.

Eddie
 
   / For Sale by Owner thoughts.. #8  
If you can find a buyer the easiest thing that I have found is to hire a realtor to just do the paper work. I have a friend that is a realtor that will do that for people. She charges a flat rate.
 
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I sold a small house in town a couple years back on my own. I highly recommend it. Realtors don't do anywhere near the work to deserve the kind of money they charge. I contacted the title company that did the original title work when I bought the house. They charged a flat fee and handled all the paperwork once I had a signed contract. I bought the contract papers specific to my state (Indiana) from Staples. I spent 5 mintues filling them out once I had a buyer, then showed up at closing (at the title company) and spent 5 minutes filling out paperwork there.

You can offer your house for considerably less by not wasting your money with a realtor. I highly recommend it. It's VERY easy.

Real Estate agents have one of the biggest scams going, in my opinion. They have powerful lobbies that get all kinds of protective laws passed. It is my belief that within 10 years the internet will have taken over the real estate agents job.
 
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i used a real estate agent twice: what a joke..i will never do it again.
Staples has most of the paperwork needed..offer and acceptance forms etc: have some offer and acceptance forms ready: when someone says, "well, would you take ????" hand them a form and say, put all offers in writting with earnest money.
heehaw
 

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