Ford 1920 Quick Attach Options

[jrdepew]

After owning my 1920 for a few years, I have run into a lot of cases where a set of forks would be very handy. Moving large rocks, unloading heavy "finds" out of the back of the truck (a boiler, various tools, etc), and even moving the large dog house I built come to mind. I looked into SSQA, and almost bought one of the NH adapters for the 110TL loader to convert over, but the fact that it moves the bucket/forks out 2-4 inches and how expensive it is turned me off.

On a whim, I asked a co-worker with a JD 2520 to take some measurements on his JDQA for me, to see if something like that would work for me. As it turns out, the loader arm spacing on my 7108 is nearly identical to his 200cx (within 1/2"). In fact, the only real difference that I can see is that the pin-to-pin spacing on his brackets is about 3/4" less than mine. The 7108 loader has a pin spacing of about 9.25", while the JD is somewhere around 8.5".

After thinking about it, I took a chance, ordered some AW28607 and AW28606 loader brackets from JD. These are the JDQA brackets for the 420 and similar sized JD loaders. I borrowed the Aritillian pallet forks that my co-worker has, and bolted and pinned everything together. Here is the result:







The picture with the forks mounted shows the only problem I ran into...the roll back angle is impacted negatively. I thought, given the fact that the pin spacing was closer on the JD bracket, that I would have gotten increased roll-back and the expense of break-out force. However, I got less roll back because of the way the 7108 loader limits roll back travel. The outer tube (painted blue part, not the chromed cylinder) hits the loader arm when I roll back to max.

The way I see it, I have a couple options. Option 1 is to abandon the JDQA idea. Option 2 is to live with it, and make sure I build enough roll back into the bucket mount. Option 3 is to modify the JDQA bracket slightly to push the upper pin 1" higher. This will also require moving the hole forward slightly, if one looks at the bracket. Moving the hole up and forward will increase my roll back angle as well as my breakout force in this case if I am thinking about this correctly.

In order to make the change permanent, I will have to make new pins as well, as JD charges way too much for pins probably made from 1018 or 1045, or possibly 1144. I haven't bought material yet as I am not sure which route I am going to end up taking.

Any input is welcome!

Thanks,
Joe

 

[jrdepew]

I think I will go ahead with getting the JD brackets modified, but I do have a question. These seem to be much "lighter" duty pin attachments than my current Ford bucket has. The Ford bucket has large bushings pressed into the bucket ears. The pin contact area of these brackets is much much larger than the JD bracket. On the JC bracket, the pin to bracket contact area is about 1/4" on one side, and about 1/2" on the other side. I would say that the Ford bucket ears easily have 2x the surface area for pin contact.

Does anyone have any trouble with the pin holes on JD equipment becoming egg shaped? Another benefit that the bushings on the Ford bucket provide is that the bending force on the pin is reduced, since they take up the slack between the bracket and the end of the cylinder or loader arm.

Thanks,
Joe

 

[beaglebriar]

I just have to ask how much will you have invested in that set up? I just converted my 1920 to SSQA for about $220.00. I used the Titan latch plates and built my own but there are SSQA setups built for the 1920 if you don't have the ability to build your own.

 

[jrdepew]

I just have to ask how much will you have invested in that set up? I just converted my 1920 to SSQA for about $220.00. I used the Titan latch plates and built my own but there are SSQA setups built for the 1920 if you don't have the ability to build your own.

Could you post up some pictures? I am not opposed to SSQA, but I thought starting with just the latch plates may make it a challenge for me to keep everything aligned properly. I am a novice welder and none of my welding has been done on something that requires pin alignment. I had the titan latch plates in my cart a few times ready to buy, but between my novice welding and some questions about titan's quality control, I didn't pull the trigger.

I have about $240 invested in the brackets. A 6' stick of 1" 1045 to make a bunch of pins will be $23.00. I am going to buy some shaft collars or DOM tubing to weld onto the pin holes of the JD bracket, which should be about $20-30 total. Finally, I will need the pins and hooks to adapt the bucket over to JDQA. I think I can get this whole setup done for well under $400. The one thing I do like about the JDQA is weight and the bucket will sit closer to the pins compared to SSQA. The 7108 loader seems to be a little weak for the size of the tractor, and I don't want to give up any capacity that I don't have to.

Thanks,
Joe

 

[jrdepew]

I just have to ask how much will you have invested in that set up? I just converted my 1920 to SSQA for about $220.00. I used the Titan latch plates and built my own but there are SSQA setups built for the 1920 if you don't have the ability to build your own.

Could you post up some pictures? I am not opposed to SSQA, but I thought starting with just the latch plates may make it a challenge for me to keep everything aligned properly. I am a novice welder and none of my welding has been done on something that requires pin alignment. I had the titan latch plates in my cart a few times ready to buy, but between my novice welding and some questions about titan's quality control, I didn't pull the trigger.

I have about $240 invested in the brackets. A 6' stick of 1" 1045 to make a bunch of pins will be $23.00. I am going to buy some shaft collars or DOM tubing to weld onto the pin holes of the JD bracket, which should be about $20-30 total. Finally, I will need the pins and hooks to adapt the bucket over to JDQA. I think I can get this whole setup done for well under $400. The one thing I do like about the JDQA is weight and the bucket will sit closer to the pins compared to SSQA. The 7108 loader seems to be a little weak for the size of the tractor, and I don't want to give up any capacity that I don't have to.

Thanks,
Joe

 

[beaglebriar]

Well I've attempted to upload pictures to no avail....PM me with your email and I will send you some if you'd like. As far as losing lift capacity I'm sure it affects it some but I have not noticed any difference. I've lifted several buckets of stone and stone dust with no problem.