Ford 4400 tranny

[flifisher]

Well I put a deposit on my first tractor a 70 something Ford 4400 with pto and fel:thumbsup: It runs good, is a little rusty, but overall I'm in love.

Tractordata.com shows a 6 speed, 8 speed and 10 speed. This tractor has two levers coming out of the tranny. Right one is a hi/lo, the left one is only two forward two reverse. the reverse gears are not affected by the hi/lo shifter giving this tractor four forward two reverse. I can't find anyting on the net about this and have talked to numerous people that have no idea what tranny this is.
The parts dagrams show a reverser tranny but I am not sure this is it, anyone know a thing or two about this tractor?

 

[LD1]

I will be following this post as.

Dad bought a 4500 TLB, which I think is similar to the 4400. But I could be wrong

And we also looked at tractordata and didnt see the right tranny.

Like yours, it has the two sticks on top of the transmission.

The left one is the 2 forward and 2 reverse selector in a typical H-pattern. The right is a High-low.

I just assumed it was a 4F-4R tranny. But I didn't pay attention to weather the H-L selector affected the reverse or not. I will have to check. It may just be a 4F-2R tranny?? But it sounds like the same as yours.

Anyway, the guy he bought it off of had the manual. It had a 6F-4R tranny highlighted in it. But it forsure doesnt' have 6F gears. We even took the top cover off and verified that their was only 4 gears. the 2F and 2R, with the H-L having a shaft that goes somehwere in the rear diff area.

And if it's any help to you or anyone else, the trans code is "G". You may want to check and see if your trans code is G as well. I am not sure where it is located?? On the casting somewhere??? But dads TLB has a code like 45011G on it. Whereas

4= 4000series
50= industrial
1=diesel
1= NO PTO
G= Trans code. Whatever "G" means

 

[flifisher]

well thanks LD1,

As I picked up the tractor yesterday I am glad to find out I am not the only oone with this "odd" tranny. Will get the number off it, later after I get done clearing last nights snow

I did learn that it is a mid to late sixties machine as it has the vents in the hood which apparently show those years, haven't done serial number check yet.

Tractor runs good, guy I went with thought that those few of gears could be a problem but for my needs I think it will be fine, I like the shuttle feature of pulling/pushing stick straight back and forth semms quick and easy.

 

[RickB]

You guys need to look a little closer. Ford didn't build a 2F/2R two stick transmission for these tractors. There is another forward speed up and to the right on the speed shifter. And shifting the range lever affects any chosen gear, forward or rerverse. If there are two distinct reverse speeds available on the lefthand shifter, the transmission is a 6x4 manual reversing transmission. There are three shift gates in the transmission that the LH shifter can engage.

 

[LD1]

You guys need to look a little closer. Ford didn't build a 2F/2R two stick transmission for these tractors. There is another forward speed up and to the right on the speed shifter. And shifting the range lever affects any chosen gear, forward or rerverse. If there are two distinct reverse speeds available on the lefthand shifter, the transmission is a 6x4 manual reversing transmission. There are three shift gates in the transmission that the LH shifter can engage.

I understand what you are saying. And from all my research and looking, I came to the same conclusion that it MUST be a 6F/4R.

But no matter what, We could not find the 3rd forward gear on the lecf-hand stick.

That is why we pulled the top over off the transmission. Sure enough there are only TWO forks and only the TWO slide collars. Giving it only 4 gears. 2F/2R. With the High-low that makes it 4f/4r.

 

[RickB]

The sole possibility for a factory configured two-stick transmission with a simple H pattern on the LH shifter and H-N-L on the RH shifter is a six speed. 1-2-3-R with two ranges. The 4 speed power reversing transmission has a single stick on the trans cover and a shuttle coming up through the cowl by the steering wheel.

I am not standing there looking at these tractors, but the only way you have what you are describing is if somebody installed some elements of a 6x4 into what was originally a 6x2. And I don't even know if that is possible.

All transmission types are accounted for in my original Ford repair manual except for code 'G' that you say is present, and the code and listing for the 6x2 which apparently came along after my manual was published in 1968.

A 4 speed
C 8 speed
E Select-O-Speed
F 4X4 Power Reversing Torque Converter
K 6X4 Manual Reversing

I'm still betting the G code is for a 6x2 or what is commonly called a six speed transmission. Code and other info is published here:
FORD CODES and SERIAL NUMBERS

 

[LD1]

Well, It is possible that this is a transmission assembled of different types???

But the date code on this dates it to January of 1966, and with a trans code of G I would think it would be in your manual.

And on the H-pattern, two of them are definatally reverse gears.

And nearest I can tell, their is NO Neutral selection on the H-L shifter either.

I guess it's not real important what the transmission acutally is. It works and has 4F and 4R gears. But its just one of those things that will drive me nuts If I dont know.

But like I said, with the top cover off, it is plain as day that their are only 4 gears (2f-2R). Because their are only two shift forks and two sliders.

I dont have any pics but I will also add that their "looks" like their "could" have been an extra gear. With the top cover off, the shift fork on the left (activated when the stick is moved right) is open on both sides. Like the gearshifter "could" have went beyond farther to the left and into another fork. But it has a roll-pin in it to stop this and obviously it doesnt have another fork. It also has another set of holes in the case that looks like a 3rd fork rail "could" be added. But their isnt another gearset and I really dont see where one could go. I just assumed that the castings and parts for ALL the transmissions were the same and that is why the extras. I dont see them making a diffferent casting for each of the transmissions.

My first guess was that this could be the transmission and gearset out of the 4/4 powerreversing trans, but with the H-L out of the 6/4 trans??? Who knows. A lot could have happened in the last 45 years

 

[flifisher]

Well, did a little more digging into this G tranny and found this,
Yesterday's Tractors :: View topic - Ford Model 4400 model #.

still confused though, going to have to go out and get all the numbers though but don't believe it was different front and rear tractors halves put together?

 

[LD1]

Well that was even more than I was able to find when googling trans code G.

But it appears that the G is a 4x4 trans as I was suspecting.:thumbsup:

 

[RickB]

Well, I'll own up to being wrong. I have never seen a 4x4 manual reversing transmission in a 3 cyl Ford, and I'm at a complete loss as to why my original Ford service manual from 1968 does not list the 4x4 or a G transmission code, or any parts catalogs give it any mention. But if Tony Jacobs says they are out there (and common in New England?) that's good enough for me. Sorry for any confusion or frustration I may have introduced in this thread.