fuel delivery systems?????

whitearrow · Apr 10, 2006

good evening fellas,i am new to keeping and storing diesel fuel.i have a 30 gallon plastic container with the non detachable top with the 2 holes in the top.both of the holes are threaded and do have screw on caps on them right now.what do you guys think of the northern tools rotary or hand pump style pumps for this rig?also what all will i have to get besides the pump?it seems like i will need a nozzle and hose but don't know what else.
thanks for your time,
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hudr · Apr 10, 2006

I see no problem w/ the fuel pumps you mentioned. I would put a filter on there as well. We have been using these for years on all of our delivery pumps. Seems like no matter how careful you are, a little trash always ends up in a storage tank and is darn near impossible to get out. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
We never used a nozzle until we stepped up to a 12V DC pump. That pump was fast enough it would overflow the tractor tank before you could switch off the pump. 'Course now w/ $2.50/gal fuel every drop counts.
good luck.

whitearrow · Apr 10, 2006

exactly how do these hand crank or pump systems work?do you pump or crank them to get pressure and then pump like you are pumping gas into your car or am i mistaken?
thanks,
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GalwayBoy · Apr 10, 2006

Whitearrow,
I'm presently using two plastic barrels, a 30 gallon and a 20 gallon.

I purchased a 12v Tuthill Fill Rite pump, and fitted a waterblock filter to it. I hooked the leads up to the aux terminals of a 7 pin RV trailer plug, and can power the pump directly from the hitch connection of my truck, or to a battery by using a separate female connector with clips. Clearly, I didn't need a 7 pin, but it was the only configuration that could be wired directly into the plug with the factory conductors. These 12v pumps pull some serious juice, and any molded trailer leads were too small a gage.

I'm supposed to wire the clip connector directly into my JD 4120, but haven't found time for that yet.... Too busy digging!

I bought my pump new on e-bay, but they are available readily from Northern Tool as well as other vendors. Picked up the filter from TSC, who also carries pumps - just not Tuthill. I think Great Plains is the name of their line. I should add that TSC also stocks rebuild kits for their electric pumps if parts availability is a concern.

I've been using this setup since November '05 and it woks great. I'm constantly on the lookout for a used skid tank or a 275 gallon oil tank, but haven't found one yet. I've been getting the drums filled when I get #2 oil delivered, but we're talking the heating season here. I don't think he'll come out to drop 50 gallons.

I'm gratetful to TBN member Anthony (from nscale monster trains) for this setup idea. I did however, use connectors more suitable to my circumstances.

oliver28472 · Apr 11, 2006

I have the same barrels as you and just have a pump from an oil barrel. It pumps about a pint per stroke which works good for me. My tractors fuel tanks are about 5-6 gallons I think. The pumps you are looking at don't make pressure in the barrel. They are self contained pumps that suck fuel up the dip tube and push it out the hose.

MadDog · Apr 11, 2006

Before I moved to a 275 gal tank and a Fill-Rite pump I had a 30 gal. poly drum, a Northern Tool lever action pump and a Mr. Funnel filter. ...worked just fine, but took longer to top off the tank than my present rig, which is faster, cheaper and less trouble, since I can get 100gal drops of off-road diesel from my local oil co.

LBrown59 · Apr 24, 2006

I purchased a 12v Tuthill Fill Rite pump, 
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 What does this pump cost? 
The cheapest pump at TS is 160 bucks?
Way more than i want to spend.

 Why wouldn't almost any car or truck fuel pump work and cost a lot less?

GalwayBoy · Apr 24, 2006

( I purchased a 12v Tuthill Fill Rite pump, 
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 What does this pump cost? 
The cheapest pump at TS is 160 bucks?
Way more than i want to spend.

 Why wouldn't almost any car or truck fuel pump work and cost a lot less? )

My Tuthill was $215 shipped to my door. The spin-on filter and fittings were about $30.

Not having to carry and pour countless five gallon cans of diesel- Priceless. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, I expect your decision will be influenced by the usual factors affecting such issues. Amount of fuel needed, frequency of fill-ups,convenience, budget, etc. You'll find something that works for you, even if temporary.

Some members are perfectly happy with gravity fill setups, using their loaders to place the drums at elevation.

I can't imagine using a pump from an engine. Too many issues. We're talking FUEL here. Some that come to mind- Safety, powering the pump, suction and discharge fit up, flow rate, etc.

How about a rotary hand pump?

Jon

Highbeam · Apr 24, 2006

Since your profile is empty I have no idea how much fuel you go through or how high you have to pump it so all I can tell you is what I do.

I picked up two fresh 55 gallon oil barrels from the JD dealer and cleaned them of the remaining hydro fluid. I filled each with 25 gallons of off road diesel saving about 40 cents per gallon. The 25 gallons is easy enough to move by hand. I put one barrel in place and pumped the second barrel into it for a 50 gallon supply. These are closed top barrels with the 2" bung and the 3/4" vent bung.

I bought a rotary hand pump from harbor freight for 11$. Yes, 11 dollars. I slipped on a 10' piece of 1" clear PVC tube so I can see the fuel flow. I pump from the barrel into 5 gallon jugs and fill the tractor from the jugs. I am unable to pull the tractor up to the barrel and if I did I would have no idea of knowing when to stop pumping until the fuel overflowed. I am still capable of lifting jerry cans. If they become too heavy then I'll fill them half way.

11$ pump. 10$ worth of hose plus a barbed fitting with a pipe cap to plug the hose and keep dirt out. Free barrels. Convenient filling of jugs, no tax fuel. I have a bottle of PS to add to each 5 gallon jug as I fill it. I don't filter between the barrel and the tractor.

Using offroad fuel has already paid for itself.

LBrown59 · May 11, 2006

I've been getting the drums filled when I get #2 oil delivered, but we're talking the heating season here.
1*I don't think he'll come out to drop 50 gallons. 

 If they are already in your area he probably would.
How about taking your barrels to them and having them filled there?