Fuel economy???
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hazmat
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Unless you are farming full time, fuel costs are small potatoes compared to the other costs of ownership (such as, the hidden - gotta get a new implement every 6 months cost /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
Here's an engineering answer sure to satisfy your CFO (aka wifey). Assuming that all the engines in question are of the same efficiency, you will burn the same amount of fuel for a given task. For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. The TC 45 will accomplish the job in 40 min. The TC 40 in 45 minutes, the TC 35 in 50 minutes & the TC33 in 55 minutes. The TC 45 will burn the same amount of fuel in 40 minutes as the TC33 in 55 minutes.
Knowing that fuel costs are relatively low (have you priced hydraulic fluid & filters?) and that you can prove to your wife that the bigger tractor won't burn any more fuel. size the machine for the tasks at hand vs. your available free time / desire to do the job quickly.
I think you'll find a huge difference between the TC35 and the TC33.
Happy shopping.
Here's an engineering answer sure to satisfy your CFO (aka wifey). Assuming that all the engines in question are of the same efficiency, you will burn the same amount of fuel for a given task. For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. The TC 45 will accomplish the job in 40 min. The TC 40 in 45 minutes, the TC 35 in 50 minutes & the TC33 in 55 minutes. The TC 45 will burn the same amount of fuel in 40 minutes as the TC33 in 55 minutes.
Knowing that fuel costs are relatively low (have you priced hydraulic fluid & filters?) and that you can prove to your wife that the bigger tractor won't burn any more fuel. size the machine for the tasks at hand vs. your available free time / desire to do the job quickly.
I think you'll find a huge difference between the TC35 and the TC33.
Happy shopping.
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<font color="blue">Good points. Thanks </font>
You're welcome. By the way, my little TC18 averages .5 to .75 gals per hour.
You're welcome. By the way, my little TC18 averages .5 to .75 gals per hour.
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I have never done any close monitoring of my fuel usage, but on my TC45D I can put 5 gal in the tank and work all day long. If I fill it up with 13.5 gal, I can work all weekend and still have lots of fuel left. These tractors sip fuel, and I'd guess my average fuel use is 3/4 gal per hour or less.
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hazmet:
<font color="blue">Unless you are farming full time, fuel costs are small potatoes compared to the other costs of ownership (such as, the hidden - gotta get a new implement every 6 months cost </font>
You got that right. How do you hold implement purchases down to one every 6 month?
<font color="blue">For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. . . . </font>
Your explanation may be technically correct, but it "real life" may not work out that way. If each tractor is working only at partial RPM, running the same width implement there will be little difference in the time to completion, especially if the mowing is "light duty". Thus there would be a slight difference in fuel useage for the different size engines since a greater % of the fuel consumed would be to run the engine and less for external work performed. But, as you say, it's trivial.
Went to pull fuel useage from my log and must have forgotten to write down some purchases. With 130 hours to date, useage seems to be running less than .5 GPH (on a TC40). In any event, as you say, useage on these is very, very low. Whatever he gets, fuel useage will be a drop in the bucket (or in the fuel tank!) compared to other costs of ownership.
JEH
<font color="blue">Unless you are farming full time, fuel costs are small potatoes compared to the other costs of ownership (such as, the hidden - gotta get a new implement every 6 months cost </font>
You got that right. How do you hold implement purchases down to one every 6 month?
<font color="blue">For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. . . . </font>
Your explanation may be technically correct, but it "real life" may not work out that way. If each tractor is working only at partial RPM, running the same width implement there will be little difference in the time to completion, especially if the mowing is "light duty". Thus there would be a slight difference in fuel useage for the different size engines since a greater % of the fuel consumed would be to run the engine and less for external work performed. But, as you say, it's trivial.
Went to pull fuel useage from my log and must have forgotten to write down some purchases. With 130 hours to date, useage seems to be running less than .5 GPH (on a TC40). In any event, as you say, useage on these is very, very low. Whatever he gets, fuel useage will be a drop in the bucket (or in the fuel tank!) compared to other costs of ownership.
JEH
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I can't specifically answer your question.. but I have a NH 1920 and that engine is roughly equal to the tc40... and mine is about 6 years old.. so it isn't in brand new condition. I mowed this weekend 9+ acres, took me about 4 hours, and my tank was at 3/4 when I started... when finished.. was on 1/2. Not sure of tank size but guess 9-10 gallons??
That is pretty good economy in my book. 4 solid hours of 2250 rpm and mowing... no stopping.. mowed in 3rd range 2nd and 3rd gears.
My guess is that fuel expendature on a compact tractor is going to be an incedental expense... probably cost less to run it per day than your breakfast and lunch that day.
I would look for anohter sale/no sale point other than fuel economy... to little difference in those power plants...
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That is pretty good economy in my book. 4 solid hours of 2250 rpm and mowing... no stopping.. mowed in 3rd range 2nd and 3rd gears.
My guess is that fuel expendature on a compact tractor is going to be an incedental expense... probably cost less to run it per day than your breakfast and lunch that day.
I would look for anohter sale/no sale point other than fuel economy... to little difference in those power plants...
Soundguy
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<font color="blue"> You got that right. How do you hold implement purchases down to one every 6 month?
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One word - Wife.
<font color="blue"> Your explanation may be technically correct, but it "real life" may not work out that way. </font>
Yeah, I know, the theory often doesn't apply 100% to "real life" but it will make his wife's eyes gloss over enough for her to say, "buy the darn thing & leave me alone" /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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One word - Wife.
<font color="blue"> Your explanation may be technically correct, but it "real life" may not work out that way. </font>
Yeah, I know, the theory often doesn't apply 100% to "real life" but it will make his wife's eyes gloss over enough for her to say, "buy the darn thing & leave me alone" /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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too simple
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Unless you are farming full time, fuel costs are small potatoes compared to the other costs of ownership (such as, the hidden - gotta get a new implement every 6 months cost /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
Here's an engineering answer sure to satisfy your CFO (aka wifey). Assuming that all the engines in question are of the same efficiency, you will burn the same amount of fuel for a given task. For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. The TC 45 will accomplish the job in 40 min. The TC 40 in 45 minutes, the TC 35 in 50 minutes & the TC33 in 55 minutes. The TC 45 will burn the same amount of fuel in 40 minutes as the TC33 in 55 minutes.
Knowing that fuel costs are relatively low (have you priced hydraulic fluid & filters?) and that you can prove to your wife that the bigger tractor won't burn any more fuel. size the machine for the tasks at hand vs. your available free time / desire to do the job quickly.
I think you'll find a huge difference between the TC35 and the TC33.
Happy shopping.
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Not taking into account that the 35 is pushing around a larger, heavier chassis! IF both were in the same chassis then your idea would seem valid. I've seen the 35 described (by someone,not everyone) as somewhat underpowered for that larger chassis, where the 33 has plenty of power given it's size. FWIW /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Unless you are farming full time, fuel costs are small potatoes compared to the other costs of ownership (such as, the hidden - gotta get a new implement every 6 months cost /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
Here's an engineering answer sure to satisfy your CFO (aka wifey). Assuming that all the engines in question are of the same efficiency, you will burn the same amount of fuel for a given task. For example, to mow 2 acres takes a certain amount of energy or HP-hours. Lets say it is 30 HP-hours. The TC 45 will accomplish the job in 40 min. The TC 40 in 45 minutes, the TC 35 in 50 minutes & the TC33 in 55 minutes. The TC 45 will burn the same amount of fuel in 40 minutes as the TC33 in 55 minutes.
Knowing that fuel costs are relatively low (have you priced hydraulic fluid & filters?) and that you can prove to your wife that the bigger tractor won't burn any more fuel. size the machine for the tasks at hand vs. your available free time / desire to do the job quickly.
I think you'll find a huge difference between the TC35 and the TC33.
Happy shopping.
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Not taking into account that the 35 is pushing around a larger, heavier chassis! IF both were in the same chassis then your idea would seem valid. I've seen the 35 described (by someone,not everyone) as somewhat underpowered for that larger chassis, where the 33 has plenty of power given it's size. FWIW /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
