Fuel filter

[Pipestone Kid]

I am trying to change the fuel filter on a JD 4110. The filter may be frozen (I got the 4110 running after a treatment of De-Gel) or ti is just plain tight. I am assuming that it is standard right hand threads--or am I wrong? I can't get the nut to turn to open the filter case. Any ideas would be most welcome.

 

[Pipestone Kid]

I am trying to change the fuel filter on a JD 4110. The filter may be frozen (I got the 4110 running after a treatment of De-Gel) or ti is just plain tight. I am assuming that it is standard right hand threads--or am I wrong? I can't get the nut to turn to open the filter case. Any ideas would be most welcome.

UPDATE: I was finally able to get the tractor inside--a little heat and a rubber filter wrench did wonders . The filter was really bad--don't know if anything could get through it. New filter and new o-ring and

 

[Phillip w]

Full you new fuel filter with fuel before you put it back on. This will help will bleeding the fuel system. Don't think I'd try popping that one off with ether. Make sure you got a fully charged battery and you may Have to use glow plugs 2-3 times in a row. I tend to use winter blend fuel and mix your fuel supplement at about 1 ounce supplement to 5 gallons of fuel. Hope this helps.

 

[oosik]

I've never in the 35+ years had any problems with my diesel fuel. My owners manual recommends changing the fuel filter at 600 hours. I'm not there yet but based upon the engine oil filter and the two hydraulic oil filters - that were obviously tightened down by a 600 pound gorilla - the fuel filter will probably be an adventure into removal also.

It almost makes me want to change the fuel filter now before I become senile and have no strength remaining.

 

[DieselBound]

oosik, it's a known issue with Kioti that they apply gorilla force on all their filters! Doesn't help that some get painted over (giving some additional intractability). I almost had to resort to a big ole scew-driver through the filter measure on one (might have been the fuel filter). Might be worth a shot at attempting to loosen it now, but try when it's warm (and then when cold).

My NX5510 seems to have inherited water somewhere. I encountered water in its fuel tank, which froze and blocked the tank's outlet. Later I got the water-in-fuel warning light and drained a lot of water out of the filter (it was later replaced at the initial 200hr service interval). I pulled the plug on my fuel storage tank and got no water. No water visible in the fuel filter bowl of my B7800. That was nearly a year ago. I'm still puzzling over where the heck that water in the NX5510 came from!

 

[Jerry/MT]

"I'm still puzzling over where the heck that water in the NX5510 came from!"You live in Western Washington where humidity is very high. Condensation can be a big problem. Try keeping your tractor fuel tank as full as possible to minimize condensation. If your filter(s) have drains, drain them regularly and catch the drainage and examine for water.

We bought a tractor with 93 hrs on it from southern NM and I had it for one week and I had a run down while using it. Found water in the filter, the water separator and the tank. I replaced the filter, the water separator, and pumped the tank. I found over a quart of water in the tank and I drained the separator and the fuel filter every day before start up until they were clear of water (about 10 times). I checked my storage tank and found one drop of water so I knew that was not the source. Southern NM is drier than a popcorn fart so it's hard to believe that high humidity was the culprit. I reckon someone left the fuel cap off and there was a thunderstorm that caused the problem. Maybe not. Another one of life's mysteries ! Never had a problem again.

 

[DieselBound]

That I don't have any condensation problems in anything else (and my storage tank, which is sitting out in the open air, is metal) makes the mystery even more of a mystery. I had been draining the filter on the Kioti a bit and didn't really find much (until these events). But, again, nothing else has had an issue with moisture/water: my truck can sit for months on end and it has never registered any water in the fuel (it gets on-road fuel from off-farm, but still, it's subject to the outside just like my other equipment (except the B7800). I'll likely just make it a periodic check.

For sure, it makes one keep looking over one's shoulder!

 

[oosik]

As I said in post #4 - never had problems or water in my diesel fuel. However - every so often I see folks post that when they filled their fuel tank - it took 15 or so gallons. IMHO - that is the exact road to "water in your fuel". If you leave your tractor with the fuel tank so very empty overnight or for a week or more - the condensation that forms in your fuel tank will eventually fill it with water. EVERY TIME I use my tractor I fill the fuel tank to the top of the neck when I'm done - without exception.

My diesel fuel is stored in 5 gallon Jerry cans - no bulk storage.

Another factor here is our humidity is so very, very low. Right now its 27F outside and 18% relative humidity. So dry it makes popcorn kernels shrivel and crack.

Had a serious problem with condensation when we lived in Anchorage. Parked my Toyota Land Cruiser in a heated garage every night - parked outside for 8 to 9 every day while at work. When the water finally started affecting the operation of the Toyota - the service garage pumped over six - YES SIX - gallons of water out of the fuel tank. The water was a collection of over just one winter. Solution - leave the vehicle parked outside all the time. And LOTS of Ban-Ice in the fuel.

 

[jaxs]

"When the water finally started affecting the operation of the Toyota - the service garage pumped over six - YES SIX - gallons of water out of the fuel tank."
Unless the vehicle was trouble free until started one day, died after less than 5 minutes then refused to run again,I would be very suspect of that garage. It would require sticking a garden hose in the tank while parked to account for six gallons of water,,,,,unless pick up tube is above 1/4tr full level. Is this one of those vehicles that ran out of fuel eventhough guage showed 1/4tr full then only held 75% what manual say's tank capacity is?

 

[thepumpguysc]

Why is it, people only change their filters when theres a problem??
If they would change them 2x a YEAR, regardless of hours, they could avoid ALOT of headaches.. AND costly repair bills..
& me being an injection pump rebuilder, I see it day in & day out..
For a couple of 20.00 bills they could save themselves 1000's.. in "money out of pocket" & down time.. it makes no sense to me.??
I've got 2 pumps on my work bench RIGHT NOW.. 1 is going to cost 1080.00 & the other 880.00!!! THAT woulda bought ALOT of filters.!!!
Just something to think about fellas..