FX20 in Europe- help!

[vetfx20]

I live in Europe (Portugal) and new in forum; few days a go I bought a FX20D. I have not an operator manual and all the instructions in the tractor are written in Japanese. I need some aid to the American friend’s specialists in the subject:
1- How functions the power shift system? Is safe work without clutch?
2- Somebody can sale and send for the Europe an operator manual?
3- The depth regulator functions only with the Japanese original tiller?
Sorry, my English is very poor but I hope is clear. Thanks.

 

[Tom_Veatch]

Well, they seem like straightforward questions, and since noone else has jumped in, I'll try. Keep in mind that I'm talking from experience with a YM2220D so my experience may not be directly applicable to your machine.

1- How functions the power shift system? Is safe work without clutch?

Within a given gear range, using the column mounted shift lever to shift between Reverse, Neutral, and through the three (1, 2, 3) forward speeds without using the clutch is safe. I find "clutchless" shifting to be a little abrupt and "jerky". So, I find myself still using and "feathering" the clutch during those shifts. I believe you must use the clutch when shifting gear ranges using the shift lever on the floor.

2- Somebody can sale and send for the Europe an operator manual?

Try Little Miami Trading Company or Hoye Tractors. They have English translations for many Yanmar models. I don't know about your particular model or what their policies might be about European sales.

3- The depth regulator functions only with the Japanese original tiller?

My understanding is that the depth regulator is a simple negative feedback control system, so if you can figure out and rig the proper feedback from any other implement, it should function just as well with that implement as with the original tiller. That may be much easier said than done.

 

[vetfx20]

Thanks Tom; if I understood, the depth regulator functions with any implement; but, I will have to make the linking to this mechanism right?

Or it can function with the UFO?
Thanks again.

 

[vetfx20]

Thanks Tom; if I understood, the depth regulator functions with any implement; but, I will have to make the linking to this mechanism right?

Or it can function with the UFO?
Thanks again.

 

[Tom_Veatch]

First, you are very welcome and I hope my comments have been helpful. Second, I am totally unfamiliar with the UFO, so I can't comment about that device.

The depth regulator on my tractor has a place to attach a cable or rod from the tiller that pushes/pulls as the tiller moves up or down in the ground. The 3pt then lowers/raises the tiller to maintain a constant cutting depth.

The depth control is intended to work with the tiller, but if you can figure out some way to provide that same push/pull from some other implement, the depth control should act just like it was attached to a tiller. I can't tell you how to do that, but I'm fairly certain that it could be done. I'm not so certain that it would be easy to do.

 

[Mickey_Fx]

Vet, maybe I can help as I have an Fx24D model. Will try and let pictures do the talking where I can.

The outboard control is the 3pt lift I'm sure you know. The inboard control is what we in the States think of as the draft control. Draft typ control the depth of an implement depending upon load the implement is placing on the 3pt.

For depth control of the tiller one need the cable linkage and connect one end to the tractor and the other end to the drag flap at the back of the tiller. The vertical movement of the flap tells the control how deep the tiller is and adj the 3pt to maintain consistant depth.

I've not yet connected this control up to the tractor but have recently acquired the necessary parts. I use a qiuck mount hitch so I had to temp mount the stk upper link mount to show how the cable connects top side. I don't have the appropreate pieces for the tiller flap that the cable mounts to.

When all connected and inboard control lever is moved, movement of the tiller flap should cause the 3pt to either lift or lower the tiller.

I think the proper way to use the depth control is to engage the tiller and turn the tiller on and sink the tiller into the ground to the depth you want. The tiller flap has to be dragging the ground, up from its normal lowest position when up off the ground. Now move the depth control to where the tiller wants to raise. The depth control should now keep the tiller depth fairly consistant. May need some fine adj of the depth control. You also need to make sure there is some down pressure from the springs on the flap.

Have noted you UFO control is different than mine so don't know how this applies.

You need to install the position sensor to the right 3pt lift cyl. With this item in place, if you pull the outboard position control ALL the way back and proper UFO switch is in the correct position, it will automatically level the tilt of the 3pt arms. Do NOT level the position level all the way back for extended time period as it causes the hyd pressure relief valve to operate due to excessive pressure.

Ask more if you need and I'll try and answer if I can.

Oh, Murray Publishing compay has an English verion of the owner's manual. It covers all the varations of the Fx models. Not a great manual and there are errors, but it is better than nothing. Yanmar Tractor Manuals for gray market tractors

 

[vetfx20]

Mickey, I see you are a specialist in FX! it seems me I can’t work with the UFO: lacks the sensor in the hidro lift... but I found something interesting.

 

[Mickey_Fx]

Mickey, I see you are a specialist in FX! it seems me I can’t work with the UFO: lacks the sensor in the hidro lift... but I found something interesting.

Long ways from being an expert on these. Just have spent a lot of time looking over my machine, reading and asking questions. And it doesn't hurt my being an M.E. so understanding how things should work comes sorta naturally.

Not sure If I'm seeing what you are tring to show me but looks like the tiller has all the linkage set up for using the draft control for controlling the depth. I've seen a number of different ways Yanmar has set up their tillers for depth control. Tiller in the pic looks like it is using solid linkage Vs a push/pull cable. With the cable setup I presented earlier, the UFO is not used for controlling the tiller depth. I also noted the UFO control on the tractor in the pic are like mine.

Are these models common enough in your area you could find what you need to make use of the depth control? I know my local dealer has a number of the cables and even the positon sensor for the 3pt tilt which is a spearate issue.

Forgot to say anything about the powershift. These transmission are planatary gearset, just like an auto trans on a car minus the fluid coupling and auto shift controls. They shift kinda abruply. I normally use the clutch but when using pto powered equipment and since these tractors don't have a 2 stage clutch, I engage the implement and then use the power shift to engage the trans without pushing in the clutch. Same for stoping as the kinenetic energy in the implement can make it hard to come to a stop. Power shift takes care of that.