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dmccarty
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Mike,
I don't have a clue about the horse side of your question but
the fabric does prevent the stone from mixing in the clay. I
only drive on my driveway with geotextile a couple of times
a week at best but you can't tell that 355 tons of ABC was
moved across parts of the drive. Once we move out there
we will find out how well it holds up.
The supplier of my geotextile would sell the stuff by the
the foot. He just divided up the price pre foot off a full roll
and charged that price per linear foot. Very fair. Maybe
you can find a supplier to do the same. He sure did not have
a problem selling less than full loads.
Later,
Dan
I don't have a clue about the horse side of your question but
the fabric does prevent the stone from mixing in the clay. I
only drive on my driveway with geotextile a couple of times
a week at best but you can't tell that 355 tons of ABC was
moved across parts of the drive. Once we move out there
we will find out how well it holds up.
The supplier of my geotextile would sell the stuff by the
the foot. He just divided up the price pre foot off a full roll
and charged that price per linear foot. Very fair. Maybe
you can find a supplier to do the same. He sure did not have
a problem selling less than full loads.
Later,
Dan
Update on the water table...
In 2 hours (and 5 FEL loads), I hand dug 1/6 of the stall out to a depth of 12 inches. Most of it was water logged clay. Very soon after I got down to the 12 inch depth, puddles of water began to appear. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Given this situation, I am debating whether to put the 15 gallon barrel in the center. As Don mentioned, it's going to just fill up with water which kind of defeats the purpose of installing it in the first place, I think.
In 2 hours (and 5 FEL loads), I hand dug 1/6 of the stall out to a depth of 12 inches. Most of it was water logged clay. Very soon after I got down to the 12 inch depth, puddles of water began to appear. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Given this situation, I am debating whether to put the 15 gallon barrel in the center. As Don mentioned, it's going to just fill up with water which kind of defeats the purpose of installing it in the first place, I think.
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Mike,
My suggestion would be to lay perferated drain pipe(PVC) under the three stalls and direct them to a common pit. Place a sump pump in the common pit and pump the water outside as far away from the barn as possible. The sump pump will have a float on it and automatically come on when the pit fills with water. Does your barn have power?
My suggestion would be to lay perferated drain pipe(PVC) under the three stalls and direct them to a common pit. Place a sump pump in the common pit and pump the water outside as far away from the barn as possible. The sump pump will have a float on it and automatically come on when the pit fills with water. Does your barn have power?
Yep, the barn has power. However, installing a common sump appears to make this project a bit more complicated than time and equine patience permits. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
There are 3 stalls, two adjacent and one across a paved aisle. In order to reduce the impact on our equine inhabitants, I am doing one stall at a time. Connecting all the stalls to a common sump would mean digging a 3' deep trench between the stalls (two are adjacent, one is across a paved aisle) and then figuring out a location for the collection sump, etc.
If I could figure a backhoe into this operation in order to speed things up, this would be a possibility, but all this digging has to be done by hand. Sure wish I hand planned this all out before the barn was built. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
There are 3 stalls, two adjacent and one across a paved aisle. In order to reduce the impact on our equine inhabitants, I am doing one stall at a time. Connecting all the stalls to a common sump would mean digging a 3' deep trench between the stalls (two are adjacent, one is across a paved aisle) and then figuring out a location for the collection sump, etc.
If I could figure a backhoe into this operation in order to speed things up, this would be a possibility, but all this digging has to be done by hand. Sure wish I hand planned this all out before the barn was built. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
riptides
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Hey Mike,
Looks like you have got a great idea, let me offer some input for you to think about. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
We just went through this with stalls. Our barn sits on C L A Y and more C L A Y. The stalls slope into a french drain, maybe a 5 gallon hole in the clay at the most. It is filled with stone and on top of this is about 6 inches of stone dust.
On top of the stone dust are stall matts. WoodyPet, a brandname wood shaving mixture is on top of that.
The stalls are BONE dry, don't smell and let me tell you with this rain, the horse was in her stall the last two weeks.
On the outside, I ran drain tile, about 300' feet, connecting to the downspouts. I also ran drain tile in the "pen" paddock area. I put this down TOO FAR, for the clay. I rented a ditch witch and took it down 3-4 feet. On top of this a placed blue stone #5 (good for driveways). I leveled it back off with the B7800 using the churned up clay mixture.
The horse has compacted the clay on top of the drain tile so much it does NOT drain. This w/e I will return to the paddock area and take out (about 1-2 feet) of clay and just use stone dust. That is if it dries out.
Anyway, your milage may vary.
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Looks like you have got a great idea, let me offer some input for you to think about. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
We just went through this with stalls. Our barn sits on C L A Y and more C L A Y. The stalls slope into a french drain, maybe a 5 gallon hole in the clay at the most. It is filled with stone and on top of this is about 6 inches of stone dust.
On top of the stone dust are stall matts. WoodyPet, a brandname wood shaving mixture is on top of that.
The stalls are BONE dry, don't smell and let me tell you with this rain, the horse was in her stall the last two weeks.
On the outside, I ran drain tile, about 300' feet, connecting to the downspouts. I also ran drain tile in the "pen" paddock area. I put this down TOO FAR, for the clay. I rented a ditch witch and took it down 3-4 feet. On top of this a placed blue stone #5 (good for driveways). I leveled it back off with the B7800 using the churned up clay mixture.
The horse has compacted the clay on top of the drain tile so much it does NOT drain. This w/e I will return to the paddock area and take out (about 1-2 feet) of clay and just use stone dust. That is if it dries out.
Anyway, your milage may vary.
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Mike,
With your situation with the water I would not do any of the draining. I would just level it all out with fines and then put your mats back on. As long as you use plenty of sawdust and keep the stalls fresh with good sawdust you should be ok.
With your situation with the water I would not do any of the draining. I would just level it all out with fines and then put your mats back on. As long as you use plenty of sawdust and keep the stalls fresh with good sawdust you should be ok.
gerard
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ditto what cowboydoc said - sand won't pack and will get depressions - I've used stoendust which is better but still not as good as running crush. The fabric won't hurt but I would go with stall mats on top of everything. If you get a good compacted (compacted being the operative term!!) base of crusher run, then put the stall mats over that you should have no problem and all the urine should get soaked up by your bedding which is what you want. Your goal should be to get the urine collected and out of the stall, not letting it sink in which will give you a perpetually wet underlayment since horsies put out 5-10 gal per day. (Least that's what they take in, guess not ALL of it comes out). If you dont' use mats you'll always be tweaking the flooring. Also if you get mats use the interlocks - just no comparison and no shifting.
