gooseneck /cab clearances?

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I am in New Zealand. Here we use bumper pull trailers only.
When setting up for a gooseneck, what size/length of vehicle deck do you need to avoid hitting the back of the cab?
What else do you need to consider?
 
   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #2  
Here in the State's most pickup "bed's" are 8' long and your (truck) hitch is placed 3"-4" ahead of the rear axle c/l. In the past 5-10 years people are buying more p. ups with short 6.5' beds and a large 4 door cab for more family oriented use. I'm not sure if that call's for a different consideration with having a "deck on the neck". With an 8' bed, I have an additional 8'x8' deck up on the gooseneck with no clearance problems up to 90* trailer/truck angle. Your std. 8' bed truck has a 56" c/a or 56" from the back of the cab to the c/l of axle to the .
 
   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #3  
Short Bed or Long Bed both have the ball hitch for a GN set about 4" forward of the rear axles center line.
 
   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #4  
If you want to be able to turn the trailer 90 degrees from the truck, the ball must be 1/2 the width of the trailer away from the cab.... any closer and you reduce your turning angle. The Max trailer width for north america (mostly) is 102", and the longest bed length that comes standard is 96"... But the rear axle may not be centered under the bed of the truck.

The purpose of a goose neck hitch is to place the load on the rear axle (or slightly forward) which eliminates the unloading of the front axle.

So in theory... if your rear wheels where at the very back of your truck bed/deck... and you had a narrow trailer.. you could have a very short bed length.

Does that make any sense?
 
   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #5  
I am in New Zealand. Here we use bumper pull trailers only.
When setting up for a gooseneck, what size/length of vehicle deck do you need to avoid hitting the back of the cab?
What else do you need to consider?

The type of gooseneck trailer.

No problem:

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Possible problem:

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   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #6  
It's not really a concern to hit the cab with most farm-type trailers, as you would need to be well beyond 90deg to the trailer.
See how the trailer narrows to the hitch?
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So the concern with this type of trailer is that if the hitch frame is not high enough, the bed sides or tailgate can contact it going over uneven terrain, and cause damage. I made my trailer with about 12" of clearance to the bed rails for this reason.
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Gooseneck hitches are not used on factory built camper trailers (caravans), but the 5th wheel hitch location is similar, at generally 4-6" ahead of the rear axle in the middle of the bed. Cab clearance when turning can be a problem if the front of the camper is wide and the truck has a short bed. My "home" is this type of trailer, and because I have a short bed truck, I must be careful when turning sharp. I have lightly dented one side of the cab already!
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Because shorter truck boxes are becoming "standard" here these days, many modern campers have a tapered front to prevent this concern. There are also 5th wheel hitches available that can slide back to provide more clearance for tight turning.

I also have an enclosed cargo trailer, which is gooseneck. It is also older, and made for a long bed truck. I must be careful because this trailer is not designed with much clearance to the bed rails OR to the cab. If I turn sharp, the front corners WILL break out the back window!! This trailer also has contacted the tailgate lightly, and when a friend borrowed it, dented one of the bed sides when he slid off his driveway because of ice.
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There are a few "concerns" when towing a gooseneck or 5th wheel vs. bumper tow...
First is a good one: A bumper tow trailer with too little tongue weight will become unstable at higher speeds and begin swaying. If the trailer is heavy enough, the sway can become bad enough to drag the tow vehicle around, and cause a crash. (I call that "going for a trailer ride") Because the hitch location is slightly in front of the the rear axle, a gooseneck has very little ability to sway the tow vehicle. The design of gooseneck/5th wheel trailers is also such that it is VERY difficult to load the trailer to have light tongue weight. We loaded a gooseneck very badly, to negative tongue weight (pulling UP on the hitch) when I worked at TRW Automotive. We wanted it to sway to test our trailer sway control logic that was being developed. We were unsuccessful getting the gooseneck to sway.

The not so good concerns are related. Because the hitch is forward of the rear axle, the trailer tracks further to the inside of a turn than a similar length bumper tow trailer. It is easy to curb a gooseneck, or wipe out stop signs when turning. The hitch location also slows trailer response to steering input when backing, as you don't get the over-steer effect of having the pivot point well behind the rear axle, as with a bumper tow. I find gooseneck trailers more stable when backing at higher speeds, but less maneuverable in tight quarters. Because I mostly grew up towing from the bumper, I am not as good at backing up a gooseneck yet if I need it to turn into position.

Hopefully this helps!
 
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   / gooseneck /cab clearances? #7  
These are available for trucks and trailers with not enough clearance:

Moves the trailer back 4":

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Moves the trailer back 9"

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   / gooseneck /cab clearances?
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Hello xfaxman and 1stduece, the pictures you provided are excellent. The only workable design for New Zealand is the "V" neck type goose neck and no "deck on the neck". The reason, is that pickups have only 1 wheelbase, and the commonest tow vehicle will be a double cab/ 1/2 deck (1.5 m or 5"long). Also a "setback" type hitch would probably be required due to the short deck.
The 3 pickup configurations are :single cab/ 8" deck, space cab /6" deck and double cab /5" deck. D/Cabs are 80% of the market. The max weight under nz law would be 4200kg and need a class 3 lisence due to gross weight. (Class 4&5 are for heavy trucks.)
I got curious as Branson tractors and Landpride Impliments have appeared locally in the last 6 months, and in november, 4X4AUSTRALIA magazine ran a comparason of the 6 most popular double cab pickups at max gross. OK for short haul but move up a class weight (landcruiser) for long haul (grey nomads take note) .
 

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