Gravely 16G won't stay running

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garynoble

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Townsend, DE
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New Holland TC-35
After my tractor has been sitting for a day or two you can see fuel in the fuel filter. I can start it up for about 20 seconds, then it dies. Then upon inspection, there is no fuel in the fuel filter. I have replaced the fuel filter with a new one and the problem is the same. At first I was thinking it might be the fuel pump. However, I have a parts manual and it does not list a fuel pump for the engine (which is a Kohler twin.) Any ideas?
 
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There definitely is a fuel pump. Should be mounted on side of engine. Black plastic with 3 lines connected.
 
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Molerj is right, your engine does have a fuel pump. Looking at the flywheel, follow the fuel line coming from above the transmission onto the engine down until it ends at a square black plastic piece with another fitting that goes to a short piece of fuel line running to the carburetor. That small black plastic square is your fuel pump.

Since you say that overnight fuel returns to the filter, remove the cap from the fuel tank and try running it to see if the tank is causing pulling a vacuum on the line and keeping fuel from flowing. If that doesn't help, remove the fuel line at the filter and see if fuel will freely gravity feed out of the tank and into a container of some sort. Basically just to see if there is or isn't a blockage in the line or valve somewhere. If it flows freely and the tank isn't pulling a vacuum, then it's likely that your fuel pump is shot. Try hooking the inlet of the fuel pump or carb up to a gravity fed tank held just above the engine. If the engine runs fine without cutting out then your pump is definitely bad. If that's the case, you can:

1, buy a new pump from Kohler, for an M18 or M20 engine. They'll probably run you north of $100.
2, install a low pressure electric in place of the mechanical one and fabricate a block off plate where the old pump would've gone.
3, make a block off plate where the old mechanical pump would've gone and install a 1/4 hose fitting in the center of it. Connect a hose to the fitting and run the hose to the suction side of a standard Briggs vacuum pump for less that $20 and some time in the shop.

Rick
 
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After my tractor has been sitting for a day or two you can see fuel in the fuel filter. I can start it up for about 20 seconds, then it dies. Then upon inspection, there is no fuel in the fuel filter. I have replaced the fuel filter with a new one and the problem is the same. At first I was thinking it might be the fuel pump. However, I have a parts manual and it does not list a fuel pump for the engine (which is a Kohler twin.) Any ideas?

I have a professional 12G. Had the exact same scenario happen to me a couple of years ago. Somewhere on the net someone mentioned that Kohler engines can be particular regarding their fuel filters. I had recently changed the fuel filter with a non-Kohler branded filter. Switched back to a Kohler branded filter and have not had the problem since. Cheap enough item to swap out and see if it makes a difference.
 
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Gary, did you get it fixed? Remember larger micron filters for drip gas, smaller microns for pressure feed. Put the smaller micron in an engine without a fuel pump and you have supply problems. I admit I just buy the Kohler spec fuel filter, it only has to get changed every two or three years. More important to take your fuel tank off, and thoroughly clean the bottom. Lot of gunk gets down in there over the years.
it's unlikely your fuel hose has failed but I replaced mine when renovating, never had a fuel delivery problem.

Is your Kohler a KT19 Series 2 or a Magnum?

now if you could keep my points from sticking shut...
Drew
 
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He hasn't logged back in since posting the question. Probably won't get a response.
 
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Just for info- we have had several pumps fail due to ethanol- plastic expands and check valves come out.
 

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