Hay trailer builds...

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DaveOmak

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Omak, Washington
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'53 Jubilee
I'm looking for ideas to build a hay trailer to pull behind my 14T and Jubilee tractor...
I'm thinking I want a small trailer for 20 or so bales then drive off of the field and reload on my big trailer for later transport...
I don't want to overwork my Jubilee... pulling the 14T and the hay wagon, might be too much for it.. I can't afford to have it broke down... Sooooo, using a small trailer as a shuttle seems like a good choice....
Any ideas would surely help me decide on a design....
 
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I'd recommend designing/planning for at least 50 to make it worth the effort (both the build, and the time driving on and off the field to load/unload). If it's too heavy you can always back off.

I built a hitch and bale chute for my 24T and pull 16ft and 18ft "standard" hay wagons with 150-180 60lb bales on hilly ground with my IH B275 (38hp, ~3500lb tractor) with no trouble. You've got about 8 less HP and 1000lbs less weight, but I think you'd still have no problem pulling 100 bales on a wagon unless you're on hills.

I've used both kingpin (like cars) and center pivot (like radio flyer) front axle wagons - the center pivots usually have a tighter turning radius and are fairly well suited to make using a central I beam. Kingpin designs tend to wander (sometimes severely) at road speeds, but are easy to build using a 2wd truck or RWD car front axle in front and a FWD mini van axle for the rear.

Put some thought into bale size and stacking pattern when planning trailer width and lenth. 8ft wide fits 5 bales wide =|= first row, then alternating |== and ==| makes it easy to "interlock" stacks. If you only go 4 bales wide ( == then |||| then == ) can can get by with a narrower wagon, but it's easy to ;ose a whole corner, although if you're not stacking high it may not be a problem. Ideally you want enough room to stand in front of the front row to continue to pull bales off the chute.

You may be able to pick up an old hay wagon frame that needs new beams and deck for much less $ than you can buy steel, spindles, hubs and wheels for. 4x6 fir beams would be plenty strong for a 12ft long wagon. Two of my wagons decks are made of 1/2" plywood on top of 2x6's laid flat on 2ft centers, the other wagon is decked with 2x10 fir. 2x decking is overkill for a lighter weight wagon. 1" or 5/4" rough sawn is perfect for decking and less slipery. through-bolt a 2x4 on top around the perimeter to stiffen up the ends, which also helps keep people and bales from sliding off.

You also want the frame to be able to flex (twist) so all the wheels stay on the ground as you drive over dips and bumps.

The trailer tongue/baler hitch and bale chute need to be long enough to allow the bales to ramp up without kinking out the back of the baler, and the chute needs to be high enough (and short of the wagon) so that it doesn't crash into the corner of the wagon during turns... I've bent mine and ripped off the front of my decking a few times (left hand turn through a dip each time...) Finally extended the tongue on the one one problem wagon to prevent it from happening again... and learned to not turn left!

I can post some pics of my "train" and details of how I built the hitch frame and chute for the baler if you want... oh, and picks of the wagons, too!

-Pete
Bellingham, WA
 
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How far is the final destination? It seems like a lot of work handling the bails another time.
 
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Thanks Pete... I'd like to see pictures if it not too much trouble.... Dave.... (used to live in Bellingham)...
 
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Many years ago help to handle small square bales of hay became difficult to find. Soon man found a way around trying to find workers. The round baler was developed.

You can buy older round balers very inexpensive and you don't have to wrap a full bale. If your Jubilee will handle a 600# bale, just tie them off at that size. Just an idea!
 
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Apparently I don't have any good pics of my wagon frames... I'll have to go take some. For now:

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Back end of the hitch and the bale chute.

It's hard to make out in the pic but the hitch receiver tube ties into the bottom of both sides of the bale chamber. The hitch pin plate is welded to a square tube that slides inside the receiver tube to allow adjustable length, however I keep it about where is in the picture. The diagonal member bolts to the right hand axle mount to deal with very significant side loads applied while turning, also the reason for keeping the hitch pin close to the bale chute... i.e. a shorter lever.

The first "stage" of the bale chute coming right off the back of the bale chamber is a little too short - the bales get bananna'd a bit. Two shallower angle bends about 18" apart, the first 18-20" from the back of the chamber instead of around 12" would have been better. Make the bale chute and wagon tongue little longer to get enough height and clearance to the wagon deck.

A bit of an aside, but you may as well learn from my mistakes - I've had the chains bounce off their hooks twice while manuvering/traveling across the field without a wagon and didn't notice until backing up and seeing the baler get jacked in the air... tends to bend the heck out of things!
 

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