Heat stroke isn't cool...

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MChalkley

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Heat stroke isn\'t cool...

I suppose this belongs in the "Off Topic and Just For Fun" forum, but I, for what will be obvious reasons, can't bring myself to consider it "off topic", and it certainly wasn't fun, so I'm putting it here.

Almost three weeks ago, while working on a landscaping project during 95-100 degree weather with 90%-plus humidity levels over a period of two days, I got a serious introduction to the perils of heat stroke. (I've learned that some doctors say that heat stroke and heat exhaustion are two different things, with heat stroke being a sudden debilitation due to heat and/or exertion, but others say that the terms are interchangeable, with there being different types and degrees of either. My doctor falls into the latter camp, so I'm using his terminology.)

Anyway, to make a long story short, even though I didn't know I was getting it at the time and was actually patting myself on the back for handling the conditions so well, the whole time I was actually digging a deeper and deeper hole for myself. The symptoms, which started on the third day, included diarrhea, muscle aches worse than with the worst flu I've ever had, nausea, dizziness, inability to sweat, etc. They persisted for 4 or 5 days, then after another couple days, when I thought I'd gotten over it, most of them returned, along with a potentially far more serious symptom, heart arythmia.

And all this because, even though I drank more than 15 half liters of water the first day and more than 20 the second, I only drank water. I was too hot to be hungry and didn't drink any "sports drink" concoctions, so flushed the electrolyte levels in my system down to dangerously low levels. The doctor says half of the fluids I drank should've been sports drinks, and that probably would've prevented it.

The length of time this episode has affected me is pretty unbelievable, too. Whereas I used to run normally on 4-5 hours of sleep a night, I now need 8-10 to make it and there's no sign of this easing up. Suffice it to say, I'm not getting nearly as much done these days, but I know a lot more about heat stroke than I used to. I'd rather have learned some other way, though. So, the moral of the story is: On days when the heat index is high, make sure you drink plenty of fluids, but also make sure you get your salt and, especially, potasium to keep things working.

Mark
 
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Mark -

Again, glad you're on the road to recovery.

Just wanted you to know that your post isn't falling on deaf ears (eyes?). I am one of those (and I doubt I'm alone here) who takes pride in my ability to "tough it out" under adverse conditions. After reading your story I think I can cleary see the fine line between "tough" and "stupid".

We're in our hot season out here in California and I've already spent more than one weekend out in the sun with my DR Trimmer/Mower. I rarely stopped to drink 'cuz A) I wanted to get as much done as I could in the time I had to spend, and B) DR Trimmer/Mowers don't have a cup-holder. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I passed the half-century mark a couple of years ago, so I guess it's time to stop acting like a kid and realize that our bodys need their fluids every bit as much as our tractors.

Thank you very much for your post, and I hope you will be receiving commisions from the Gatorade people. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

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All I can say is ouch! guess it pays to drink more than just water on a hot day. As I said in the other post hope your feeling better. Keep pumping those vitamins and you'll be back to your old self in no time./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Did your tractor made it through the heat ok? Maybe you should have had a few shots of amsoil to help keep the juices flowing./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Really just glad that your feeling better the board wasn't the same without you!!
Gordon
 
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Well now I guess it's official. Mark needs adult supervision when out playing with . . .(uumh) . . working with his tractor and someone needs to tell him when its time to go to bed. All kidding aside, we're glad this bad experience is behind you. It will serve as a lesson for all of us. Welcome back.
 
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Mark,

Glad to hear your back. Hope you recovery is coming along well. I have had a small heat stroke as a teen working out for ski season. It wasn't much fun, But you know about that! I also have the problem with tring to tough things out. But so far nothing serious has come out of it, I must be borrowed time (seems kinda scary). Well take take of you self. Remeber there is only 1 of you!

Derek
 
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I've often wondered just how much good the sports drinks do over just drinking water, and I guess they really are better. I have a 69 year old neighbor who has been drinking lots of water and 3 weeks ago he went to the doctor with similar symptoms (his wife was scared to death it was something really serious) and the doctor told him he just needed to be drinking Powerade (this particular doctor said it has some things in it that made it better than Gatorade). I've been drinking lots of lemon/lime Gatorade the last few years even if it is the wrong <font color=green>color</font color=green> (my brother drinks the <font color=orange>orange colored</font color=orange> Gatorade), but I've changed to the <font color=blue>blue</font color=blue> Powerade (hate to admit it where JimBinMI might read it); don't know whether it works any better, but it tastes better to me. Good luck on your recovery.

Bird
 
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I was wondering too. Glad you're back and recovering.
 
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Mark,
Darn good advice you given,but some people just don't know when is enough while working and become ill.

The sign are there but refuse to heed the warnings...maybe thats being stubborn./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

Stay safe and be /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

Thomas..NH
 
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I'm glad your are recovering well. A few years ago I worked for a food broker peddling Gatorade. Maybe that is why I think it is better that Powerade and the other sports drinks. In the past I played in softball tournaments in July and August. If I drank water I got sick to my stomach. If I drank Gatorade I did not. Gatorade and other sports drinks do provide the badly need electrolytes and also get into your system quicker that water. Be careful from now on!
 
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Glad youre doing all right...I don't particularly care for power drinks...myself but will usually drink power aid...I fell into this heat trap while in the USN at Great lakes...went to the doc told'm how I felt...He just shook his head told me what my problem was right off...Said I was the 5th person that week...Gave me this nasty tasting stuff called petialite "YUUUK!!!"This stuff is why I dont like gator aid (gator aid to me has a faint taste of it that and it's to salty)...Said what your doc told you, water is not enough...Still have to watch myself.. I tend to just keep on going even though I know better...Lately have taken the habit of draging a small cooler with me some how...even if it means sitting it aside once I get to the area I plan to work...Course if I had that tractor with FEL I could just sit it in there till I get there.../w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif...

If you have a problem with lack of potasium try a few bananas or add more potatos to ya diet...swhat my doc suggested...So far seems to have stopped the leg cramps...

Hope you feel up to snuff soon...keep/w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

Lil' Paul

Laziness is the Father of invention.../w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
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Yep, those sports drinks are funny things. The first time I tasted Gatorade, I didn't like it. And I still wouldn't give you a nickel for the taste of that stuff when I'm in the air-conditioned house or during cool weather. But when I'm working outside in the heat, some days I drink a gallon of it, and enjoy every drop. And when the grandkids come to visit, they drink it all up; all day no matter what they're doing. They'll drink the Gatorade instead of the Cokes and 7-Up that's in the same refrigerator.

Bird
 
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Mark,

Sure am glad to see you back with us! When I was a bunch younger, I was a distance runner in college and had a go with heat stroke one year. This was before the sport drinks of today and we used water and salt tabs. They are just not enough when you are one of those people who isn't going to stop if everyone else is still going. Thirty years later I can remember every moment of that experience. I still spend to much time in our southern heat as a contractor although I sure watch for the signs these days.

I'm sure Mark will agree, use lots of sports drinks and if you ever find yourself getting cramps at night or sweating less during the day, get to the doctor. Heat stroke hurts and takes a long time to bounce back from.

MarkV
 
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Any time your health gos to hell its just no fun at all! I had broke my leg in 97 had a plate and screws put in it to hold the bones. 30 days latter had blood clots go in to my lungs, all most killed me was in ICU for a week, no fun at all. Sure glad your ok/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif We gota have some one around here to find all this cool stuf we can put on or tractors/w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif
Rich
 
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MarkC,

Though I'm really busy right now, finished 2nd day of school today, I definitely noticed your absence...was about to start a topic on it! Really glad you're back on track now and on the road to recovery! /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

JimBinMI

We boys and our toys!
 
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Thanks for all the supportive comments, guys!

Question for the brain trust: Does anyone know of a "sports drink" mix that isn't so high in carbohydrates/sugar? I'd love to find something that contains the electrolytes (sodium, potasium, magnesium) but with fewer calories. Obviously, I need to drink larger quantities of fluids in hot weather, but if half of the liquid I drank during the days I got heat stroke had been a typical sports drink, I'd have consumed almost 2,000 calories, just from that stuff! So, I'm looking for something with the electrolytes, but fewer calories, and I'd be grateful if anyone could steer me in the right direction.

Mark
 
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Mark, that sounds like a great idea! A sugarless sports drink. I'm diabetic, so I haven't really looked at the sports drinks in the last 4 or 5 years, but if something like that is out there, it may be located in the 'sugarless' diabetic section of your supermarket. Don't blink though, because such areas are rather small and you might miss it!
 
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There are some products that are packets of powder. The powder is just electrolyte salts and is intended to treat severe dysentery (not as severe as cholera, which requires IV treatment). My X carried some of packets when travelling for international development field visits. I don't know where she got the product.

Incidentally, my present wife commented that the nutritionists and physiologists teaching in her recent course work all said that sports drinks with sugar in them should be avoided. They advocated just plain water, but then they probably weren't thinking in terms of somebody who worked under the conditions that you did.
 
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I guess you can forget the Powerade then. I bought some of the blue stuff (Mountain Blast) in bottles, then my wife started buying the powdered stuff and mixing it up for me, but it says it has 70 calories per serving (8 oz. glass); sugars 15g.

Bird
 
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An electrolytic replenishment fluid such as Pedialyte can easily be made. The key ingredient is Morton's Lyte Salt, a 50-50 mix of KCl and NaCl, mixed with Karo syrup[dextrose/glucose] and sodium bicarbonate with H2O.One specific formula per liter is one teaspoon Morton's Lite Salt, 1/2 teaspoon NaHCO3 and 6 teaspoons of Karo syrup. People with less than perfect kidneys [kidneys get rid of excess potassium] or on certain drugs,usually for high blood pressure or congestive heart failure, such as 'ace inhibitors'[type 1 or 2] such as captopril(Capoten),Vasotec,Diovan or if already on KCl supplement should consult their physician.Ace inhibitors inherently cause the kidneys to save potassium and are often combined with diuretics that excrete K and Na in the urine so that the net effect is a wash and ,therefore,a potassium suppelment is not needed assuming the kidney function is good or, at least stable. Lemonade spiked with just a teaspoon of Morton's Lite Salt per liter supplies enough of the essential K & Na.People already on a diuretic such as hydrochlorthiazide or furosemide[Lasix] are dehydrated by definition and sweating and heavy work [each exhaled breath is 100% saturated and can add-up to several liters of fluid loss when the respiratory rate increases.] When you add in the loss from sweat, urine, stool to the above "insensible" loss this can add up to several liters a day. One good rule is to drink enough fluid so you have pale urine with some K and Na as dicuussed above. Assuming you have good kidneys and certain drugs as described are taken in consideration the kidneys can deal with excess free water[ i.e. water with a little less osmolarity than 0.9%[normal saline] by excreting the extra water and retainig the appropiate electrolytes so that you don't become overly diluted,nor concentratd with a proper total volume.

RCH
 
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Dr. Rch,

Thanks for all the pro info. If calorie intake is not an issue, what are your feelings about sports drinks? Do you think they offer what is needed for us who have high exertion work situations in hot humid conditions?
 

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