Hello From Missouri Everyone

   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #1  

LowEtsRock

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I am looking to purchase my first tractor. I've used several and maintained a few for others, but never bought my own. I am taking care of 6 acres, a 500 gravel drive and clearing some woods and lots of landscaping to make into a yard. Looking mostly in the 25-30HP range but open for whatever. The LS looks nice for the price and the packaged deals look great. There are several dealers within driving distance of me so that makes me feel better as well. Just wanted to say hello.
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #2  
Welcome from another Missourian, sorry can't help on the LS, no experience.
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #3  
:welcome:
To the TBN forum LowEtsRock. We are glad that you joined.

You have come to the right place as we love to spend other people's money. Be sure and tryout driving the different models you are interested in before buying to get the feel of each one.
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #4  
The optimal way to shop for tractors is to list your tasks first, then determine bare tractor weight you need to SAFELY accomplish your tasks. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models.

For most tractor applications greater chassis weight is more important than tractor horsepower. This tractor fundamental is difficult for people new to tractors to comprehend. In subcompact and compact tractor categories it requires a 50% increase in bare tractor weight before you notice a significant tractor capability increase. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Heavier tractors are built on larger frames with larger wheels/tires. Heavier tractors with large diameter tires have more tractive power pulling ground contact implements, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Larger wheels and tires mean more ground clearance, enabling a heavier tractor to bridge holes, ruts and downed tree limbs with less bucking, yielding a less disturbing passage over rough pastures and woodlands.

Safe hillside operation demands more tractor weight than flat land operation and requires four wheel drive (4-WD). Greater mass of heavy-chassis tractors increases tractor stability when transporting loads in the FEL bucket, the most rollover prone of routine tractor tasks. Heavier tractors have adjustable rear wheel spreads; wide rear wheel spreads reduce tractor lateral instability.

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

Tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight are offered in one configuration. Most, such as the high volume kubota standard L series, are sparely equipped to hit competitive price points. Others, such as the Yanmar YT235 and Kubota B2650/B3350 series, include enhanced productivity and comfort components.

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential applications on one to five fairly flat acres. These "residential tractors" fit in a typical garage.

Every tractor brand includes a model in the 2,600 pound to 3,000 pound (bare tractor) range with 100 cubic inch/24 horsepower engine ample for your tasks. Tractors under 25-horsepower are exempt from the stringent, Tier IV emission controls which abruptly increase a tractor's cost about $3,000 above the 25-horsepower demarcation.



I suggest looking at Kubota L2501/HST/4-WD in a 2,700 pound tractor or Kubota L3560/HST+ in a 3,500 pound, deluxe kit tractor.

VIDEOS: Kubota Standard L Series VS. Grand L Series - YouTube

Kubota HST Plus Transmission Features - YouTube

LS makes fine tractors too but I am only knowledgable about Kubota models.
 
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The optimal way to shop for tractors is to list your tasks first, then determine bare tractor weight you need to SAFELY accomplish your tasks. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models.

For most tractor applications greater chassis weight is more important than tractor horsepower. This tractor fundamental is difficult for people new to tractors to comprehend. In subcompact and compact tractor categories it requires a 50% increase in bare tractor weight before you notice a significant tractor capability increase. It takes a 100% increase in bare tractor weight to elicit MY-OH-MY!

Heavier tractors are built on larger frames with larger wheels/tires. Heavier tractors with large diameter tires have more tractive power pulling ground contact implements, pushing a loader bucket into dirt and pushing snow. Larger wheels and tires mean more ground clearance, enabling a heavier tractor to bridge holes, ruts and downed tree limbs with less bucking, yielding a less disturbing passage over rough pastures and woodlands.

Safe hillside operation demands more tractor weight than flat land operation and requires four wheel drive (4-WD). Greater mass of heavy-chassis tractors increases tractor stability when transporting loads in the FEL bucket, the most rollover prone of routine tractor tasks. Heavier tractors have adjustable rear wheel spreads; wide rear wheel spreads reduce tractor lateral instability.

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

Tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight are offered in one configuration. Most, such as the high volume kubota standard L series, are sparely equipped to hit competitive price points. Others, such as the Yanmar YT235 and Kubota B2650/B3350 series, include enhanced productivity and comfort components.

Most tractors under 3,000 pounds bare weight operate in residential applications on one to five fairly flat acres. These "residential tractors" fit in a typical garage.

Every tractor brand includes a model in the 2,600 pound to 3,000 pound (bare tractor) range with 100 cubic inch/24 horsepower engine ample for your tasks. Tractors under 25-horsepower are exempt from the stringent, Tier IV emission controls which abruptly increase a tractor's cost about $3,000 above the 25-horsepower demarcation.



I suggest looking at Kubota L2501/HST/4-WD in a 2,700 pound tractor or Kubota L3560/HST+ in a 3,500 pound, deluxe kit tractor.

VIDEOS: Kubota Standard L Series VS. Grand L Series - YouTube

Kubota HST Plus Transmission Features - YouTube

LS makes fine tractors too but I am only knowledgable about Kubota models.

Wow,
Thank you very much for the extensive response. That is a lot of good information. I used to run a Kubota BX1830 I believe it was at my ex in-laws. It did great for lawn mowing and shaping the drive way slightly. When trying to actually USE the FEL it was very un economical. I felt like I was doing more work that the tractor. I also remember the seat seemed to be tilted and not comfortable after mowing for more than 30 minutes. I liked the tractor but not quite enough to immediately decide that I"m brand decided. I used to have to repair the neighbors JD constantly welding his deck back together and re straighten his 3 point bars. He was rough on it. Those were both Sub compact tractors so I know I'm not going that low. I've been looking in the 25-32HP range as I have a mower that mows the grass well.

I typically mow about 2.5-3 acres regularly. The land needs loader and box blade work to smooth out about 1.5-2 acres of this mowed section.
The road is 500 feet long and needs maintenance regularly with spring rain and winter snow melt off.
there is about 2 acres to be brush hogged in and out of woods maybe 2-3 times a year.
I know i won't be over working any tractor I get, but I don't want to end up regretting getting one to small or to large.
I liked the HST trans on the Kubota and ability to let off and navigate the ditches safely and smoothly so I had been looking at that.
I also want a tiller to put in a .5-.75 acre garden.
Then I have looked at the Rear Buckets as well for putting in drainage ditches as well as landscaping plumbing to move water away from the house.

I know, lots of wants.
Thanks again for the reply. A lot of home work will start now.
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #6  
You need a Tooth Bar added to an FEL bucket in order to dig. Piranha brand is consistently well reviewed on T-B-N. The hole you dig will be as wide as the bucket, either 48" or 60"

Rear dirt scoops are obsolete. FEL bucket has two planes of articulation, and is out front where it is easy to position.

A Ratchet Rake is another useful bucket attachment. Ratchet Rake teeth can be used to remove sod on new ground for a kitchen garden.
VIDEOS:
piranha tooth bar - YouTube
ratchet rake grading - YouTube


A cheap Middlebuster, AKA Potato Plow, is efficient puting in shallow drainage ditches as well as landscaping plumbing to move water away from the house. Also useful in the garden.
VIDEO: middle buster trench - YouTube

A 1/2 acre garden will feed twelve people easily and require weeding in proportion. A 3/4 acre garden is commercial size.
For a family of four, 1/4 acre is enough. Better small and well tended.

PTO powered roto-tillers are wonderful for preparing gardens. Also frequently used for smoothing rough pasture.


Shop for your tractor by bare tractor weight. You need a tractor with 2,700 to 3,500 pounds bare tractor weight. Bare tractor weight is a tractor specification easily found in sales brochures and web sites, readily comparable across tractor brands and tractor models.

BX1830 is ~~1,300 pounds~~~bare tractor weight.
 

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   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #7  
G'day Mate and welcome to TBN from Downunder.

Enjoy the site... as jeff is already doing! :)
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #8  
:welcome:

Welcome to the forum!
We're always happy to help with the decision process :)
 
   / Hello From Missouri Everyone #9  
:welcome: to TBN...enjoy.
 
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It has been a few weeks and things came together to help me out on getting my new/used tractor. A family member was moving so I was given the option to Purchase a John Deere 4200 4WD HydroStatic tractor for much cheaper than I could find any online. In the deal I got the FEL 420, 6' Land Pride Brush Hog, 6' Land Pride Box Blade, 6' standard blade as well as a 2 bottom plow. If I read the specs right the Bare tractor weight is in the 2850-2900 range. So far I have managed to really screw up the back yard as well as the drive, but I'm learning. It is looking less and less screwed up every day.
I want to thank you all for the suggestions and helping me learn what I needed.
 

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