Help In Buying a B20

   / Help In Buying a B20 #1  

1aplay

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B21 - TLB
I had a b20 delivered to my house today and I am hoping this forum will help me make the choice of keeping this tractor or sending it back to the dealer ship. This would be my first tractor. When I looked at this tractor at the dealer it showed 523 hours and was told that it was probably 800 hours the salesman also said he thought it was a 1996. When he delivered this he said it was a 1992 and his mechanic thought it had around 1200 hours. I am paying 12,500 for this tractor and still have the option of telling the dealer I don't want it. (even though he has my money) I am looking for a few pointers and what common things to be looking for? Is it common for hour meters to go out? How much play is acceptable in the backhoe right to left? When he delivered it this morning it was about 5 degrees and after warming up the glow plugs for about 1 minute it started with the help of the glow plugs for another minute. It then idled 1700 rpm's. On Saturday i will be able to really test it out. I did buy the buying basic's book but I would like to check this tractor out in more detail, hopefully with the help of the expert's on this forum guiding me. Thanks for all your help. I have been learning so much on this forum and planning on throwing my 2 cent's in some day! I will keep you informed.
Thanks again,
Kurt
(future tractor owner?)
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #2  
Hello Kurt…
12.5k for a 13 year old… seems like a lot but…? Where are you located, tractor prices are a little more/less in different locations. About the only thing you might check is how confident is the dealer about the past history of this machine? I would have a few ??? as he is not too aware of its age or hours. Is the hour meter working now has the dealer checked everything out and delivered it in good used/working condition? In a way your question is like what to watch out for on a used car? The answer = everything /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif…, no two are necessarily going to be used the same. As far as backhoe check pins and bushings. But you might give more information like serial #s … there are some on this site that might be able to tell you the age. KennyV.
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #3  
Fill out your profile so we know where you are. You'll get local knowledge from others in similar temperatures. Below freezing can be problematic with Diesel starting.

It could be as simple a problem as not having winterized Diesel fuel in the tank. Winterized Diesel is thinner that plain old #2 Diesel. Winterized Diesel fuel usually has been thinned with some #1 Diesel or kerosene.

If the temperature or fuel is not the problem then:

A thousand hours on a Diesel tractor shouldn't be an issue. But, you have symptoms of lots more than that.

Regardless, when it eventually gets warm, the tractor should idle below 1,000 RPM.

It should not take a minute of glow plugs to get started. 10 to 20 seconds if they are all working. Try using a hair dryer (blow gun) to heat the intake air (and air cleaner and intake manifold), see if it starts easier.

A B20 (and B21) are tractors purpose designed for hard use by contractors and rental yards. It sounds like the one you have has seen some hard use in a rental yard.

If your dealer can't get it to idle below 1,000 rpm and to start easily with reasonable glow plug use, I'd pass on this one.

Dave
 
   / Help In Buying a B20
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#4  
I just updated my profile which will show that I am in Missoula, Montana. The Tractor serial # is 51087, if some one could help me in looking this up it would be greatly appreciated. As far as the idle, we were actually letting it idle at 1700 rpms to warm up. I did not check at what it was at when it was warm. I will be aware of this tomorrow when I have more time to check it out. Thanks for the replies. Kurt
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #5  
Kurt,

I have a B21 which is a newer version of the B20 with a few changes. My tractor is a 99 model and has about 1200 hrs without any trouble so far. These machines were built with the contractor, rental and utility industries in mind and were built very strong. The B20 was produced between 1990 and 1996, if I remember right. They are a great little TLB and as you have found out they hold their price very well.

What are your plans for the tractor? I ask because there are areas that the B20 and 21 differ from other Kubota models of similar size. The B21, not sure if the B20 was the same, only has 13.5 PTO horse power which limits you to smaller PTO implements. If bush hogging and finish mowing are high on your list there may be other models better suited for those tasks. Mid mount mowers can not be used with the B20. The front loader is not removable, in a practical way, if that is something you want. These tractors were made primarily for backhoe work and do that very well.

If the tractor actually has 1200 hours and is a 92 that is less than a 100 hours per year and not what I consider hard use. Many Kubota’s have many more hours than that and are still working well. One of the members here had something close to 8000 hrs before getting a new tractor. Most of the homeowner users here seem to put between 100 and 250 hours per year on their machines. Naturally the question with the tractor you are looking at is how many hours it really has. I would like to know from the dealer who he took it in trade from. If a private owner for homeowner use then 1200 hrs is believable. If a rental yard or contractor then I would question there guess on the number of hours. Nether can let a piece of equipment that expensive sit idle and I would guess many more hours. If it was traded local you might be able to contact the pervious owner for more information and history.

Things I would look at would include the valve bodies, both backhoe and loader for signs of leaks, same with all cylinders. Raise the loader and backhoe, leave them, engine off, and see how fast they leak down by themselves. (For safety don’t let anyone on the tractor while doing this) Some is normal, all the way in a short time isn’t. Check the fluids, both oil and hydraulic by sight, smell and feel to see if they look fresh. Hydraulic fluid will get milky looking if water has gotten it, check the oil for any burnt smell and keep in mind, oil in a diesel is very dark even with only a few hours on it. Check and see that all the 3pt hitch parts are coming with the tractor. They are expensive to replace. Make sure the PTO will engage and disengage properly. You need to use the clutch to engage the PTO. Check that 4wd will engage and disengage. It helps to raise the front of the tractor with the loader to disengage or move backwards while trying to disengage. Most backhoes will have some slope in the pins and bushings. How much is to much I am not sure. They are replaceable on that tractor.

Kurt, the price and hours, at 1200, don’t seem out of line to me if they are what has been stated. Personally I would like to know a little more history on the tractor before making a decision. Good Luck!

MarkV
 
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#6  
I bought 5.5 acres and come spring time I will be breaking ground on my new house. I want to do as much of the work myself. Digging to foudation will more than likely be to much for this tractor but I will do the septic system and drain field. I would also like to use it to put up a fence, mow down the field,maintain the road(driveway),do the landscaping(the wife) and then someday use it to dig my shop foundation(3'-0" frost wall) My land is also on a slight slope downhill. At first glance what concerns me about the hours, the paint is rubbed off on the fenders where your hands would rest while driving.(On each side of the seat area) The dealer said when he looked it up(serial #) it did not show any rental use. Thought it was used in a residential use only. The fluids wont do me any good to check they have all been freshly changed at the dealer before he delivered it. I looked this tractor over and I could not find one oil leak. I am open to any suggestions on other tractors to look for. I would really like to have a backhoe for the tractor.

Kurt
Can't wait for winter to be over!
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #7  
Kurt,

I have done everything you mentioned plus a good many more with my B21. There are numerous other tractors on the market that could also do everything mentioned. Now to find one in the same price range with a backhoe that could be a trick.

The B20 was a solid built little tractor so if it feels right after your weekend use I’d say go for it.

If you get it you may want to consider liquid ballast in the rear tires. It makes a world of difference in stability on slopes as well as general traction for loader work. The other add on that makes a big difference is a tooth bar for the loader. You mentioned this being your first tractor so take it slow at first. There is a learning curve and most of us scared ourselves once or twice before getting around it.

First tractor weekend is great so have fun. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MarkV
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #9  
Kurt,

The web site referenced by JacknCoke would make the tractor a 1990 model. It would seem your dealer should have been able to find that out and 1200 hours is most likely low. Not a deal breaker but worth considering.

MarkV
 
   / Help In Buying a B20 #10  
1aplay
That s/n shows to be a B20 sold 04/02/1991. Hope this helps. Lewis
 

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