Help with getting first tractor

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monkeybreath

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Location
Central California Foothills
Tractor
Kubota 3410
I just found this forum - looks great. Here is what I need help with. I have 90 acres of foothill property in California mountains - used primarily for grazing cattle. I need something to help move some dirt around - landscaping, maintain roads (with some road building involving just some scraping and filling - nothing that major - lessening some grades etc. ), moving and/or collecting small boulders - under 500 pounds estimated - for wife's landscaping projects, picking up loads, taking out brush, and I am sure I will find dozens of uses once I have it. I have been looking for something used. I want a front end loader and a box scraper, and a small disk or mower. I have found MasseyFurguson 1240 for $8200 with FEL and box (diesel 4WD) and MF 1125 for with FEL and box for about $9k, but am still looking around. My questions - how much HP should I be looking for , do I want a 4WD, do I want diesel, is an older heavier tractor have the same "umph" as a newer smaller 4WD, and the other dozen questions - issues which I don't know enough to ask about.
Also, because I have discovered this forum, I know a bit about 4 in 1s - which looks like it would provide the utility I could use. Great forum - thanks for any suggestions you can provide.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #2  
I would you would want something in the 30-50 HP range. You will need a bit of weight for good earthmoving and digging stability and power. The 4Wd's are nice, however you might want to check out some other used utility tractors in this same HP range, especially if you do some of your maintenance your self. The IH 444 is a good one, the Ford 4000-5000, MF 35. These are about 25-30 year old tractors, but if you get a solid one it will last you many more years. With the dirt moving and loader work you mentioned a tractor in the 3-4 thousand pound range sounds about right for you.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #3  
I had a Kubota 4X4 on a ranch in Livermore, CA. I didn't think I'd need it, and didn't really want it, but the deal was too good to pass on. I never took it out of 4 wheel drive.

I'm currently looking to buy a new tractor based on the dealers in my area. If you break down and need a part, you want to be able to get it quickly.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #4  
Welcome to TBN! You'll find lots of interesting knowledge here and lots of opinions, too! Here's my two cents.

Choosing a good used ag tractor can get you started with modest upfront investment. With reasonable care, those older rigs can last forever. The older farm tractors had lots of weight for their horsepower, to pull farm implements like a plow, a baler, etc. Great for working in the field... not so great if you plan to drive across your front yard! Also, those older tractors were built with high ground clearance/center of gravity... not so good if you have hills!

Advantages of choosing new include: a) great financing options right now, b) dealer supported warranty, c) newer features and capabilities (for example, the newer 4WD's are probably safer for loader work, particularly on grades vs. 2WD).

If your finances allow, you should go up one or two notches in the size of equipment you purchase, because the number and scope of projects you tackle inevitably goes beyond what you first anticipated. Without having seen your place, 90 acres of foothill property already sounds like it will call for some respectable equipment... something at least in the 40hp range.


Good luck in your search!
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #5  
Ron,

Welcome to to a wealth of information known as Tractorbynet (TBN). First, let me point you to the search button. When I found TBN I spent hours searching previous discussion threads, many topics have been discussed thoroughly. I'm not trying to dissuade you from posting questions, just pointing out an often overlooked resource.

As to your questions. I believe the general rule with HP is that you rarely wish you had less. We have 5 acres and have a 37 hp tractor -- never had a problem not being able pull or lift something. The more HP you have the bigger the implements you'll be able to handle which equals time savings.

4wd is always a benefit and I personally would go that way - especially if your property is hilly. As I mentioned, entire threads have debated 4wd v 2wd (and # of HP for that matter).

Older v newer. This is another one of those potentially long winded discussion questions. But what's older for me 1980, is not older for my neighbor 1949. As long as the older tractor has been cared for and rebuilt when necessary it should have plenty of power to do what you need.

The diesel question is also a can of worms. I went w/ the diesel and have had no complaints. My wife does complain of me smelling like diesel after a day on the tractor (propane would be nice here).

Reviewing my post, I don't know that I've given you much good advice. So let me say this and hope it helps. You've described what you plan to do w/ your tractor so try to match those needs w/ the tractors cabilities. You'll never go wrong w/ more power, or traction. Older compares favorably to newer if you can find one that has been well maintained.

Definitely maker sure there is a good dealer close for whatever you buy -- old or new.

Clint.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor
  • Thread Starter
#6  
Thanks guys. I have been looking for about a month and feeling a bit helpless until I found this site. New might be the way to go, my hesitation, however, is that I sort of feel I will be an occasional user and have not been able to convince myself that I should spend that amount of money. But I have looked at the new ones and they beckon. I have searched back through this forum and have benefited greatly from the many similar posts - it seems a number of people found this site in the course of looking for help buying a tractor. I also ran across references to, I think, something called Power trac, and went to that link - interesting. opinions on that option ? By the way, won't be mowing - will get wife a small riding lawn tractor for that. Cows take care of the rest.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #7  
Ron:

There is a whole forum dedicated to discussion of the PowerTrac machines - just scroll down a little farther on the Main Index.

Once you have a tractor, I think you will become more than an "occasional user." You will think of a lot of things you can do that the tractor will make easier and more fun /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Welcome to TBN, and keep on readin'.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #8  
Hello Ron, and welcome! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

One thing you might want to consider is trying out different brands over a weekend. Most reputable dealers will loan out a tractor to a potential customer so that they can try it out. It would be a way to get a better feeling for the different machines out there. By doing that, you might find that the one you think you like the most turns out to be the one that is the most uncomfortable for you to operate.

Of course, this would all depend on the location of the dealer(s) and their willingness to work with you. Then again, if you find a dealer that doesn't seem to be willing to work with you, that tells you something too, doesn't it? I know that finding a quality dealer is one of the top concerns on my list of requirements when I purchase my tractor.

Good luck with your search! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Help with getting first tractor
  • Thread Starter
#9  
Well, I am at the Rubicon looking accross the water at tractorville. I am prepared to buy a TC29 tomorrow, but now that I have learned a lot here, I can present more intelligent inquiries. First, I want to ask if the TC 29 with 25 pto hp will be OK for my uses, which I will outline below, and want to ask if the deal is a good one.

First, while we have 90 acres, it is my intent to first rent a dozer or hire one to complete major tasks of reducing grades on back roads, any major dirt I want moved around or areas leveled, take care of derferred maintenance on back roads, put in a culvert and put a road across it, and maybe tackle a pond.

Then, I will use my tractor (assume a TC 29) as follows:

- maintain roads (have a tenth of a mile drive way now road oil over DG, but thinking of graveling / have about a mile of back roads (winding / flat and with slopes going from 2400 to 4200 elevation) back roads are dirt and DG.
-mowing under an acre total in different spots, will need to do that only about 4-6 times a year given climate and rainfall patterns
-move material around for landscaping uses and projects ( a few times a year)
-take fence posts and material around the back property on trailer (a few times a year).
-pick up and haul in small boulders from back of property for my wife's landscaping projects (size from size of a fat cat to size of a couple of 80 lb cement bags stacked)(only a few times and then very infrequently if at all)
-some trenching initially (if I get a back hoe or other implement)- for water lines, then rarely
-backfill behind rocks or rr ties laid to terrace areas (at first and then as projects come to mind)
-haul cut firewood from back of property (once a year)
-general grooming of property around house and area (from time to time)
-clean corral area, restore slopes into barn
-build corral fences - (once - hopefully)
-level an area here and there if needed - small areas
-use FEL to gain height to top and prune tree
-and whatever I can do to get seat time

Will a TC 29 be adequate ? a close call ? need more HP ?

How important will the HST be for these uses ? (dealer advises he would suggest the HST if I was going to be doing a lot of FEL work, and on the tractor regularly for several hours, or if it was my strong preference, he said he will reasses tomorrow after I detail my uses for him - our contact today was by phone)

Dealer says he will put on the heaviest / best box he has for the size of this tractor, and will price out a mower, PHD and back hoe tomorrow when I go down there.

The deal is $14,400 for TC 29, 7308 FEL, and box. Will finance with 20% down at 0 % interest for three years. Tractor is lease return with 120 hours. Full warranty. Because I have cattle here, I get a break on sales tax - some program I was not aware of but dealer said I would qualify. I note that another post today advises a deal of TC29D with FEL and 60" mower for $17,000 delivered, if I recall it correctly.

I am ready to buy this now as is less than Kubotas I have found, though I wanted a Kubota at one point, and the dealer seems honest and interested in getting it right for me. Should I keep looking, get the TC29 D (with HST), go larger, or . . .

(note - I also found a used Kubota today a 2000 model, 37 hp L4310 with loader, 720 hours, but was about $21,500 and last years model of a new Kubota GST(not sure which model) with 20 pto hp with FEL and box for about $17,500)

Brands I have been looking at: NH / Kubota / Kioti

Sorry for the long post, but now that I am ready, need a final bit of advice.
 
   / Help with getting first tractor #10  
seems like all the uses u have for the tractor , will be well within the range of the 29, and it seems like u are in love with it already. and hst is the way to go, but that it is just mho /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 

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