Help with Selection 3720 or 4120

   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #1  

Haneyrm

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Hello All,

It's been a while since I have been on here because I sold my Kubota several months ago and recently moved to the beautiful state of Tennessee. I recently purchased 51 acres and need to buy a tractor to maintain it. The land is a 50/50 mix of woods and pastures. My primary use will be taking care of a half mile long dirt road, mowing 25 acres of pasture, loader work (tons of rocks), cleaning stalls, etc. It looks like something in the low 40 HP range is a good choice and I was wondering which would be best or if there is a better option that I am not seeing. Thanks in advance.

Mike
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #2  
If you want a green tractor I would skip those two and look at a 5105 or 5125. The extra power and size will be very helpful and the cost over a 4320 is minimal if anything (my 5105 with mfwd and 522 FEL cost about the same as a 4320 with FEL). The 25 acres of pasture to mow is what stopped me from even thinking about the two you mention; a 4320 would handle no more than a 6' cutter, I think, and 25 acres will take forever with a 6' cutter. The 5 series machines will handle a larger cutter, probably as a pull type or semi-mount instead of 3ph lift, but definitely have the weight and power to run a bigger cutter. I will have to locate my MX series brochure but I think that Deere says you could go as big as 10' or so with the horsepower of a 5 series tractor. A wonderful setup for you would be a 5225 with the 12x12 power reverser, though that will probably be in the low to mid 30's. I think a 5105 or 5205 would do much better for you than a 4320 without costing much if any more.

Need more detail on the loader work, but the 5 series machines will get you significantly more lift capacity than the 400x, much less the 300x FEL. But as for rocks, depending on what you want to do with them, how big they are, and how stuck they are, you may be better off with a skidsteer or a construction loader setup. I have piles of rocks on my property and while it is possible to move them with the FEL, it requires technique and is somewhat hard on the equipment.
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #3  
I vote for the 4120. It gives you a lot more weight and height lift capacity than the 3720 (as much as the 4720 in fact). The larger frame size makes the ride while mowing rough terrain smoother. The 5105 puts you into a no-frills imported tractor vs the top of the line US manufactured 4000-20 series. It only costs a little more to go first class and you will regret it later if you dont. Test drive all (3), compare the specs, and get the one you like best, thats what I did, even trying out a few comparable orange and blue models. I ended up with a 4120 and have been very happy with it over the last couple years.
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #4  
Mike,

I have had both a 3720 (two of them) and a 4520. Each has advantages. My advice is to go to the smallest area in which you will regularly be working and measure it. Then, compare the tractor sizes. I loved my 4520. It had good power and felt much like the 3720, but in a larger package. It rode a little smoother and felt a bit more stable than does my current 3720 on hilly or rough terrain. The problem: it was too large to access about 30% of my property which I can only get to by way of a tight sharp turn between a natural rock outcropping and my home. Even though the tractor was larger and a little (I mean a little, too) more capable, the fact it could not get to a large part of my property meant I needed a different machine. So, if most of your work is going to be wiggling into and out of horse stalls, the smaller machine might be better. I can tell you, the difference in what these tractors can do is really small. The 3720 is going to be a bit faster and more responsive because of its smaller size, but the 4120 is the better choice for large open areas or using heavy attachments. If one looks at the 5100 series, they are not much larger than the 4000 series and lack some of the creature comforts. They are nice enough tractors, but when one sits on one of them and a posh 4000 series, there is a difference. To some, the basic premise of a tractor is engine, tranny, hydraulics and comfort is not primary. But to me the ergonomics of the 3000 series and 4000 series is tough to beat. To really step up, one would have to go into the 5020 series which are a lot more money. I suppose I would favor the 4000 series machine in your case due to your property needs, but the 3720 would do just fine and would be about as fast. I doubt it would save much money though over a 4120.

John M
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #5  
wolc123 said:
The 5105 puts you into a no-frills imported tractor vs the top of the line US manufactured 4000-20 series. It only costs a little more to go first class and you will regret it later if you dont.

The 5105 is assembled in the same Georgia factory where the 4x20 series is assembled, thank you very much. You may be thinking of the 5103, which is assembled in India and is a more basic tractor (though still good for many uses). All of the 5xxx series have Deere engines, though not all the same engine (turbo 3 on 5103, naturally aspirated 3 on 5105, and 5 or 4cyl engines on 5x25).

I was initially very skeptical of the 5105 as, from a distance, it looks like a no frills, ancient design tractor. After I sat on one I was intrigued, and after first driving one I was impressed. Only disadvantage I see is no HST option, which is also true on anything in the same class as a 5105. If you actually look at the features on a 5105 you will find that it is very well equipped, lacking only a hydro-shuttle option and a cab option (for which you would go to a 5125).

Also, the 5125 is anything but basic. It can be configured to be about the same as 5105, but it can also be equipped with a cab, powershuttle 24x24 transmission, self-leveling FEL, 3 remotes, electrohydraulic 3ph control, etc... any feature you could think of (again except HST) and more than you'd find on a 4x20 or any other brand's CUT. Of course the 5x25 is really more aimed at full time farmers than hobby farms or personal use.

Whenever I hear about cleaning horse stalls, I wonder... we have 5 horse stalls in our barn (two different types - and the barn was built by prior owners, not us) and the doors are all about 3' wide at most. This is typical of most horse stalls I see, at least for personal horse barns (even the nicest ones). Only the tiniest little SCUT will go through a 3' door. IMHO an ultra-narrow skid loader would be ideal for cleaning these stalls, but you would have to have a zillion stalls to clean before that would pay for itself. Of course if you're building the barn yourself, maybe you can put in wider stall doors.

I now have the Frontier/JD rotary cutter brochure in front of me. As you would expect an LX6 or RC1072 is within the capabilities of the CUTs you mentioned initially, with a minimum PTO hp of 25. However, an MX7, which is a small upgrade in width, states that 40 PTO hp is the minimum, and has a weight of 1332lbs, which is definitely too much to handle with a 3720 and probably too much for a 4320. Step up to an MX10 and the pull-type MX10 requires only 40 PTO hp, but at 2000lbs will be rather much for the CUTs. The lift-type MX10 is rated as requiring 60 PTO hp, which I do not think is really what it requires for power but rather a cutoff to preclude people from matching a 4720 with an MX10 lift-type and expecting to handle it. IMHO, the minimum PTO hp ratings are a bit light and I would suggest 50+ PTO hp for an MX7 and 65+ for an MX10.

By my calculations mowing 25 acres would take about 8 hours with a 6' cutter and about 4.3 hours with a 10' cutter. Not sure how often you are expecting to mow all 25 acres, or if you plan to do it all at the same time. I wouldn't have the patience to do it all at once with a 6' cutter, even once, and definitely not every month. But I could probably manage doing it in pieces if I was only doing it once or maybe twice a year. Obviously the 10' cutter would cut your time nearly in half.
 
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   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #6  
25 acres is a pretty good sized lawn! Especially if you have horses to feed.

Seems to me that you might consider having one cutting from the field put up in bales. And graze the field the remainder of the season.

If that is an option, a smaller 6' cutter can serve the purpose of keeping ahead of the tall patches and the uneven areas that the horses haven't done a good job of keeping ahead of the growth on.

So, the 3720 or the 4120 would fit that bill.

I've got 20 acres currently and a couple of horses. And a couple of neighbors that are commercial hay operators that I pitch in to help with my annual "hay debt"... so, I have entertained the different permutations you are currently having to consider.

The 5105 and the 5205 would be great machines to manage 50 acres with. And you might want to consider a 10' mower conditioner. Especially if you've got a neighbor with a good baler...

Shoot, you might end up with a workin' deal to help with your annual "hay debt".

AKfish
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #7  
I would say the 4120 or 4320 would best suit your needs.
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120
  • Thread Starter
#8  
Thanks for the information. I went back out last night and looked at the tractors again. It looks like the 4120 is the best machine for my situation. It is small enough to get to 95% of my property and has the power to take care of what needs taking care of. Can anybody recommend a good dealer in middle Tennessee? I would like to shop a few different dealers before I make my final decision. Thanks again.

Mike
 
   / Help with Selection 3720 or 4120 #9  
Compare the loader specs of the 400X used on the 4000 series and the 300X used on the 3000 series. I think you will find that the 400 series will lift around 1000 more pounds about a foot higher. Much larger hydraulic pump capacity also means that it will lift the load faster. Certainly this aint no "little" difference. If you have to fit into some tight spots this will not help much but if you have to do some big jobs it will make quite a difference.
 

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