Houston we have another problem.

[scrimshaw33]

Was spreading some seed today when all the sudden my tractor started slowing up, but not stalling out, just stopping, idle. Then if I put in reverse and then forward it would get going again. Tried to pic up the FEL and it started jerking really slow and would barley move up. I stopped the tractor and got out to inspect. The body/housing that I assume contains some sort of oil has a piece of metal that's sheered off. The piece of metal is round with two flanges where bolts are connected from it to the bigger body housing of the tractor in the rear of the tractor where the hitches attach to as well. The piece is about 3 to 3.5 inches diameter. I got one of the bolts out but the other one is stripped so will have to work on getting it out so I can replace the part. I put aluminum foil in the hole to quickly drive the tractor back to the shed and oil or some yellow/grey liquid that was pretty viscous was spewing out of the edges of the foil and steaming as well.

I tried to look in the parts catalog online but couldn't find the part or even the body/housing that it attached to where the hitches are. It's a 4320 JD with cab and FEL 2006.

What's the part number or can someone at least point me in the right direction of the bigger housing so I can pick out the part...I tried just couldn't find.

Second question: Did it screw the tractor up to the point I'll have to get it fixed further or will just replacing that cap that sheered off fix it? I wasn't sure if oxygen going in to the tractor was causing the FEL to act up and tractor to stop or if so much of that fluid (oil?) leaked out before I noticed it was broke was causing it.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Don87]

Was spreading some seed today when all the sudden my tractor started slowing up, but not stalling out, just stopping, idle. Then if I put in reverse and then forward it would get going again. Tried to pic up the FEL and it started jerking really slow and would barley move up. I stopped the tractor and got out to inspect. The body/housing that I assume contains some sort of oil has a piece of metal that's sheered off. The piece of metal is round with two flanges where bolts are connected from it to the bigger body housing of the tractor in the rear of the tractor where the hitches attach to as well. The piece is about 3 to 3.5 inches diameter. I got one of the bolts out but the other one is stripped so will have to work on getting it out so I can replace the part. I put aluminum foil in the hole to quickly drive the tractor back to the shed and oil or some yellow/grey liquid that was pretty viscous was spewing out of the edges of the foil and steaming as well.

I tried to look in the parts catalog online but couldn't find the part or even the body/housing that it attached to where the hitches are. It's a 4320 JD with cab and FEL 2006.

What's the part number or can someone at least point me in the right direction of the bigger housing so I can pick out the part...I tried just couldn't find.

Second question: Did it screw the tractor up to the point I'll have to get it fixed further or will just replacing that cap that sheered off fix it? I wasn't sure if oxygen going in to the tractor was causing the FEL to act up and tractor to stop or if so much of that fluid (oil?) leaked out before I noticed it was broke was causing it.

Thanks for any help.

Thats a very good possibility. Running it after enough oil was lost to cause it to stop, is never a good idea.

Pictures of the damaged part, and what it attaches to may be needed. The description given is very vague.

 

[scrimshaw33]

Thats a very good possibility. Running it after enough oil was lost to cause it to stop, is never a good idea.

Pictures of the damaged part, and what it attaches to may be needed. The description given is very vague.

Thanks Don. In the third photo the aluminum foil is blocking the sheered part to prevent rain from getting in there. You can see it's towards the PTO area. I assume it's oil in there? I removed one bolt on the right side of the part, the other one I'll have to work on, the hex on the bolt is stripped somewhat. Here's some photos:

 

[murphy1244]

I would say you broke off the fiil port.

 

[Ken]

I would say you broke off the fiil port.

Looks just like where the port for hydro fluid to be poured into the rear of tractor. How was it broken off ?
Almost will have to be a John Deere part.
ken

 

[scrimshaw33]

Looks just like where the port for hydro fluid to be poured into the rear of tractor. How was it broken off ?
Almost will have to be a John Deere part.
ken

No clue how it broke. Had been rototilling the yard for several hours this past month but what a weird break! Does anyone have a pictoral or order number so I can purchase? Whats best way to proceed after replacement since fel is already obviously effected? What oil do i use and at what point do i fill to?

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Any indication of what caused the housing to crack and break? Oops, I see you have already answered that.

Before you think about topping off the hydro fluid, you need to think about getting all the foreign matter out of the system, i.e., drain and flush. It has been my experience that hydro systems don't handle foreign matter very well. Maybe others here have a different opinion.

 

[LD1]

This appears to be it John Deere - Parts Catalog

#34 in the picture and part # M804487

Is your tractor a hydrostat?? I dont know if it pulls its oil from the rear or not, but if you starved the HST for oil, that sounds like your problem. Same for the loader. Replace the part and re-fill with oil and see if it is okay or if it makes any funny noises.

Is the tractor still under warranty?

 

[scrimshaw33]

This appears to be it John Deere - Parts Catalog

#34 in the picture and part # M804487

Is your tractor a hydrostat?? I dont know if it pulls its oil from the rear or not, but if you starved the HST for oil, that sounds like your problem. Same for the loader. Replace the part and re-fill with oil and see if it is okay or if it makes any funny noises.

Is the tractor still under warranty?

Thanks for the help. Not under warranty. Have had it about 3-4 years. Seems things keep breaking. Not sure how it broke seems weird how the break happened.

Found the part, thanks.

Looks like from reading the manual it's transmission oil. The reading isn't terribly low on the dipstick, so I'm wondering if air getting in would cause the FEL to have trouble lifting and the tractor from slowing down??? I ordered the parts, is there a need for me to bleed anything to bleed out any air when after I install the filler neck?

 

[LD1]

Bum link.....Jd's website sucks IMO and is difficult to navigate. The link worked for me the first time but it was probabally cause it was saved in my cookies:confused2:

I'll try to walk you through it:
1. click the link
2.type 4320 and click search
3. the 3rd selection is the one you want. "9397 - 4320 Compact Utility Tractor - 19Apr12"
4. once that is open, click "sectional index"
5. after that is open, click "powertrain"
6. once that is open, there are 4 that say "TRANSAXLE HOUSING AND REAR COVER " Two are for HST and two for gear tractors, with serial number breaks. It dont matter which one you click on, cause that filler neck is the same on all of them.
7. After clicking on one of the 4 above, it should pull up a picture to the top right, and parts list at the bottom. I believe #34 is what you are after.

As to the oil, Check your owners manual, but I believe "tractor" hydraulic oil is what you want. Not just any plain hydraulic oil. but it HAS to be tractor/transmission hydraulic oil. Stuff like the "traveller" brand "universal tractor/transmission hydraulic fluild" like they sell at TSC should have it listed on the pail that it meets or exceeds the JD specs called for in your manual. But if in doubt, get the JD fluid from a dealer. Which you will probabally be at anyway to get this part.

 

[scrimshaw33]

Thanks LD1, thanks so much for the help...found the parts and ordered them. 10-4 on the transmission oil, I'll get that as well. Last question is do I need to bleed anything to get the oil going through the parts again. I read the manual here: OMLVU17927_J7 and it said I might need to change out oil several times if there might be dirt in the oil which is very possible since I don't know how long I was operating with the neck broken off/oil exposed while I was spreading seed on a rototilled soil bed (i.e. dusty soil). I need to check again tomorrow but when I checked oil yesterday oil wasn't below low level...is it possible it was an issue of oxygen getting in/the neck being opened and not closed allowing oxygen in and causing the issue (i.e. is it possible just closing off the neck with the new one will fix the issue if oil levels are correct?)

 

[LD1]

Bleading is usually just a matter of cycling the hydraulics. Like raising and lowing the FEL several times.

As to the dirt or dust, I cannot comment. What does the oil that is left in their look like??

 

[MarkV]

I think I would do a complete hydraulic fluid and filter change. No telling what got in there spreading small seed and tilling. Trannies have some pretty small ports that could be affected by even seed. I think you were lucky to catch it while hydraulic fluid still was showing on the dip stick. Could have been real bad if it ran dry.

MarkV

 

[murphy1244]

your suction screen is clogged.

 

[scrimshaw33]

your suction screen is clogged.

Thanks so much, I'll try that. Will go pick up the transmission oil today...will be waiting on shipment and receipt of the parts. Thanks again for the help.

 

[murphy1244]

Thanks so much, I'll try that. Will go pick up the transmission oil today...will be waiting on shipment and receipt of the parts. Thanks again for the help.

Give it a good flushing too. Is this the first time you used what was on the 3 point? cause it might have to do with someting out of whack back there. I'm surprised you did not hear lift off when it broke....

 

[scrimshaw33]

No not first time. Thinking back, when I took my rototiller off before putting on seed spreader, one of the pins on the lift arms was broke and the lift arm had to be put back on with a new pin, so that's probably what happened...the lift arm hit the neck and sheered it off. I never hear anything when I'm on the tractor it's so loud!

 

[murphy1244]

No not first time. Thinking back, when I took my rototiller off before putting on seed spreader, one of the pins on the lift arms was broke and the lift arm had to be put back on with a new pin, so that's probably what happened...the lift arm hit the neck and sheered it off. I never hear anything when I'm on the tractor it's so loud!

Cause we have to find out why before you fix it or you will have a do-over.

 

[scrimshaw33]

Great point. I think what happened is there's a chain on the rototiller that is connected to the plastic protective sheath that goes around the PTO shaft. I clipped the one end on to the pin that holds the lift arm, which must have put pressure on it and caused the pin to break, thus causing the lift arm to fall, and sheer the filler neck.

 

[murphy1244]

Great point. I think what happened is there's a chain on the rototiller that is connected to the plastic protective sheath that goes around the PTO shaft. I clipped the one end on to the pin that holds the lift arm, which must have put pressure on it and caused the pin to break, thus causing the lift arm to fall, and sheer the filler neck.

Don't those Deeres have a hole on the pto guard?