How much do they stink?

imported_MiserblOF · Sep 25, 2003

It is apparent that I will be requiring a compact diesel in the fairly near future, due to the lack of choices in gasoline units and the better reliability and performance. However, I am very sensitive to the stink of diesel engines. I have been assured by a good friend who is in charge of maintaining the machines at a very exclusive country club that the current crop of small diesel engines do not stink all that much.

I was impressed with that lack of nausea encountered with a little Kubota unit running once, but I wonder about the Mahindras, and the other compacts in general.

Do they stink now? Will they make me sick in a few years when they begin to wear? What do you say?

Golfgar4 · Sep 25, 2003

I've not noticed any real problem with the smell of diesel from the CUT's that I've driven. That may be because many of the CUT's now have the horizontal exhaust that comes out under the machine.

Or, it may because I worked with mass transit buses for 15 years, and my sensitivity to diesel fumes is all but non-existant! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Seriously, I don't think it's as much of a problem as it used to be. The diesel engines in these machines are so much more efficient, that the vast majority of the fuel is being very cleanly burned. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

dieselsmoke1 · Sep 25, 2003

And then there are those of us that enjoy the smell of fuel burning and the sound of diesels rattling. Hense my post name "dieselsmoke". It sorta grows on you after time. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

cbh · Sep 25, 2003

I can only speak for the two diesel powered tractors I've owned. The Kubota B7500 I own now has significantly less diesel exhaust odor than the John Deere 2210 I used to own. Having said that, almost all of my use has been loader work. The 2210 required a higher engine speed to achieve the same loader response. So, the greater odor could have been caused by this. Whatever the reason, I prefer the lower odor.

markie61 · Sep 26, 2003

The only time I notice real heavy diesel exhaust is at start-up - I get a black cloud that quickly disipates(sp?). Once the revs get up there, the smell is MUCH less noticable. If it really bothers you, try running some biodiesel in the mix - it smells like overdone french fries /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

I can't stand the smell of UNBURNT diesel, so I always use disposable gloves while filling my cans or tractor.

Mark

fivestring · Sep 26, 2003

"And then there are those of us that enjoy the smell of fuel burning and the sound of diesels rattling." 

Amen.

ebeacham · Sep 26, 2003

Seems to me that one newer tractor shouldn't stink any more than any other CUT since most all of them have similar engines, most are even made by the same companies in Japan or Korea. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

lamarbur · Sep 26, 2003

at start up, and a few minutes of idling, mine throws a little black smoke and stinks somewhat. However, I have mine under a canvas tarp system and if the wind is blowing, you won't notice/smell it anyway. I never have noticed any odors while operating it either.

Woodbeef · Sep 26, 2003

Have you checked out the new Simplicity Legacy XL tractors yet? They have two gas versions of it. www.simplicitymfg.com

JayC · Sep 27, 2003

Have you looked at the Cub Cadet tractors? They have a "new" line of sub-compacts that are both diesel and gas. The gas versions are 25hp Kawasaki engines. Here is a link to their website:

http://www.cubcadet.com/servlet/BrandProductDetail?ID=137&CAT=8&SUB=16

The models are 7252 (2WD) (gas), 7254 (gas), 7264(diesel), & 7304 (all 4WD) (diesel). They have a variety of attachments available ranging from front loaders and backhoes, to mower decks, to tillers, etc. They seem like very capable machines! Also, PowerTrac has some gasoline powered tractors. You may want to give them a look see, too! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I think their website is: http://www.power-trac.com

imported_MiserblOF · Sep 27, 2003

Thanks for the info. Yes, I have looked at the Cub Cadets. In fact, they were one of the first, and, since looks count for far more than they should in a purchase of an machine like this, (It is, in the final analysis a very expensive and fancy toy, after all) they were rated very highly. However, the bad news is that the local dealer is now out of business. I had considered the Cub gas models but, after research and talking to people, been convinced that the diesels are just superior performers. The field which started with Deere green and Cadet white has now expanded to green, blue, red, white and orange, with the red now leading the pack. I will have at least all winter to sweat over the choices, as I have decided not to buy until at least next spring, a year later than originally planned.

As someone has mentioned in many places in this forum, the Mahindras are red, and it really does make a difference. I am going to research this thing to death because I want my tractor purchase to be the one and only one I ever have to make in this lifetime.

Sad to see a town where there are a lot of good sized places and that once had dealers for Deere, Kubota, Ford/New Holland, Cub, and probably a few others, down to just one Deere dealer. I guess, like everything else, things are becoming regionalized, but it makes thing tougher on the potential buyer.

JayC · Sep 27, 2003

Mahindras are very nice machines, but have you looked at Kioti? They are very nice also! How big of a tractor do you want? Kioti goes up to 65hp with cab and open station models. They also have gear, shuttle shift, and hydro models. The CK series are new and they are the hydros of the pack. They also come in gear models. Right now all they have is the 20hp CK20, but are adding a 25 & 30 hp models to the CK lineup. The DK's are the "cream of the crop." They range from 35-65 hp and are shuttle shift. They also have a few economy tractors, the LB1914 a 20 hp econo tractor with shuttle shift. They also have 25-30hp LK models. The 25hp is gear and the 30 hp is shuttle shift. They are VERY nice machines! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif You can check them out if you haven't already at http://www.kioti-tractor.com

imported_MiserblOF · Sep 28, 2003

I have looked at the Kiotis on line, but there are no dealers anywhere near me. I had originally considered only Deere and Cub because of local dealers, but the deere prices are really quite high, and I was disappointed that their smaller machines do not offer backhoe options, with the exception of the 790. The local Deere dealer recommended a 4310 to me, and I'm impressed with that tractor, (and depressed by the price as well). I originally thought something like the 4110 would do me, if it had a backhoe and a gear trans.. I am now leaning toward something in the 26 - 28 hp. range. The new 2615 is an interesting prospect, though I'm not a fan of hydro transmissions.. I am told they are very easy to get used to. Since there will be no commercial use of this tractor (unless I do some work just to scare up money to pay for the tractor itself), reliability over an expected long span of time is important, as is parts availability. My father bought a 12 hp wheelhorse tractor about 22 years ago, and every time I go for parts, someone tells me I need to buy a new tractor. As far as I'm concerned, the thing has another 30 years in it if they keep the parts coming and shut up about buying a new one. I will still need the wheelhorse for mowing the tighter areas around the apple trees and such, and intend to have it in better shape in a couple years from now than it was a couple years ago. When I retire, I just do not want to spend 8 or 10 hours a week on it with its 42 inch deck cutting grass. I'd like a bigger deck and the tools (backhoe and loader) to dig the big rocks out and fill in the low spots so I can zip over it with a 60 inch or 72 inch deck at twice or more the speed I can now do with the 42. Also, of course, would be clearing snow, dragging firewood, and all the other usual chores, along with maintaining the drainage ditches, etc. And most of all, to be able to send the occasional photo to my ex-coworkers of - me sitting on the tractor with my middle finger triumphantly raised - /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Finally, the Kiotis and Kubotas are ORANGE. And I could never be comfortable on an orange tractor. While red is the best, the green and blue are fine, and the white and yellow of the cubs is a really classy combination.

Lastly, the guy I work next to bought a new harley. And If I don't keep the tractor bug going inside my head, I'm liable to get a new motorcycle myself (or dust off the Honda in the garage) and get myself killed.

JayC · Sep 28, 2003

My grandfater's brother has a 26hp Cub Cadet compact utility tractor. He has the front-end loader and backhoe. He uses it a LOT. He even contracts out to the city where their big machines cannot get to. It has and still does serve him well. I think the model he has is a 7260 (or 7265 (hydro), I don't remember). I'm sure whichever machine you choose you will be happy! Good luck!

I forgot to mention, I see you mentioned red a few times, have to looked at the Case DX series compact utility tractors? Here is a link to their machines: http://www.caseih.com/products/line.asp?Reg=NA&RL=ENNA&id=4 The DX models are the hydros and the D models are the geared.

dieselsmoke1 · Sep 28, 2003

( I am now leaning toward something in the 26 - 28 hp. range. The new 2615 is an interesting prospect, )

I just reviewed the 2615's specs at New England's website and the new piece certainly is interesting. Surprising that even though the weight was down 600 lbs from my 2810HST, 3 pt capacity was up 125 lbs. Certainly would be worth a look if I were shopping for a piece today.

normde2001 · Sep 28, 2003

Oh Man, mine stinks to beat the band. Makes me want to throw up every time I crank it up. Can't imagine how anyone can stand to be around those things.

imported_MiserblOF · Sep 28, 2003

( Oh Man, mine stinks to beat the band. Makes me want to throw up every time I crank it up. Can't imagine how anyone can stand to be around those things. )

You are kidding, I hope.

Alan L. · Sep 28, 2003

Smells good to me.

Slippy · Sep 30, 2003

My 6000 really does not smoke much unless I am really putting a load on it. It is best to avoid the intake of the fumes as they are not healthy for you. Much like anything else, the by product or exhaust out of anything can't be good for ya. Everything and everyone creates exhaust of some kind, and its best to stand clear. You might want to consider something with a low exhaust set up. I was told to stay away from them because when mowing dry grass, the exhaust has been known to start fires when down low.

jinman · Oct 1, 2003

( While red is the best, the green and blue are fine )

If you can find a Case dealer, you can buy the same red tractor as the blue New Holland, but don't let him know you came to him for color or you might have to pay more for it. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif However, the Case models do not have the Supersteer option. That's only available on a New Holland. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif