Hydraulic Top Link Solution????

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Iam just wondering in regards to a Hydraulic Top Link does it enable downward pressure on the implement, for example a back blade, as Ive just purchased a 7' backblade and find that it rides up pretty easily when the going gets a little tough, will the Hydraulic top link fix this problem???
 
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No, you can't put down-pressure on an implement with a hydraulic top link. You can just add weight to the blade to keep it down, though.

MarkC
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P.S. One thing I forgot: The hydraulic top link will make it easier to adjust the angle of the blade with respect to the surface. If you lengthen the top link, the blade will tend to cut more, instead of riding up over the top.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by MChalkley on 1/3/01 09:24 PM.</FONT></P>
 
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Mark, I'm not sure I understand. If an implement is lowered to the ground and held under position control, I thought the 3ph wouldn't lift unless the load was great enough to open its relief valve. I figured that's why I buried implements when I started up hills until I got the hang of things. So, I might think that if an implement is on the ground in position control, and a hydraulic top-link is used to tilt an implement down, then some down-pressure would be exerted unless the 3ph floats up.
 
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TomG, nope, Mark's right; position control prevents the implement from going down any farther, but it can still ride up (unless you have one those very rare tractors with down force on the 3-point to begin with).

However, Mark said lengthening the top link would made the blade cut in more. If we're talking about a box blade, lengthening the top link would make it cut in more going backwards, but shortening the top link (tilting the blade forward) will make it cut in more pulling forward.

Bird
 
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With my box scraper on the ground in 3ph position control, I full extend my hydraulic top-link so the scraper rides on the back of it's rear cutter. I use it that way to compact gravel, and I think I get some down-pressure (please correct me if I'm wrong). However, that wouldn't work in your case, because it would change the blade angle. As Mark says, extra weight on the blade will help it cut hard ground.
 
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TomG - As Bird says, unless you've got one of those rare old tractors with downforce on the 3-point hitch, it only operates in float mode when you lower it.

The reason the box scraper works "backwards" from the blade is that the boxscraper has two blades. If you lengthen the top link, the front blade is lifted off the ground because the back blade is lower. Since it's curved away from you, it just "floats" going forward and digs in going backward. Vice versa with the top link results in, well, vice versa...

MarkC
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Mark & Bird: Thanks for the comments. That's why I ask questions. I'm clear on adjusting the box angle for forward and backward cutting/spreading operations. However, this is the second time I've been told that position control doesn't hold down a 3ph--actually I guess things probably would break if it was held down.

So, now the idea finally gets through my skull. My 3ph always can float up. It just seemed to be held down when I buried implements after starting up hills. The explanation probably is that a sudden change in grade has the effect of changing the cutter angle to the ground. What actually happens probably depends on whether the side plates dig in or track the new grade.

After taking yet another tour through oil flow diagrams in my repair manual, I found a missing, and very simple, idea that escaped me. A 3ph-lift cylinder only has oil on one side of it. So, no oil has to flow anywhere when a 3ph floats up, it can just slosh around in the cylinder like a half-full bucket. That's a DUH, huh? Anyway, whether or not the 3ph is held down, the box tilted down so it rides on the back of its rear cutter still does a good job of compacting gravel.

These comments have straightened out the idea for me, and I hope cleared up the subject for others. There are more complicated issues like the effect of unloading and unloading several valves from repeatedly floating a 3ph. Whether some oil is lost, which changes the position, or whether any lost oil is automatically restored? Guess I can go back to my infernal oil flow diagrams to study on this one.

I guess the advantage of draft control is that it gives a power lift, rather than a float lift, which is adjustable rather than entirely dependant on the implement weight. I guess draft control 3ph’s can float as well as power up.
 

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